Existing in a Void

[Monarch_Laciel]

The void manipulation page states

"Existing in non-existence: The user might be capable of existing in a place outside of existence in general. Similarly a user might be capable of dragging something else into such a place."

Is a possible use of Void Manipulation.

Being able to exist in a void is not void manipulation. It's either resistance to void manipulation if the void is meant to erase things in it, or it's nothing at all.

Dragging people into the void is also BFR, not void manipulation itself. The void is the destination, not the power.

Hence, we should remove this second use from the page.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Agree. This has been bugging me for a while.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

This would affect to aru

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Definitely agree with this.

 

[Elizhaa]

I agree with this

I guess that Dragging people into the void is instant kill BFR assuming the opponent doesn't have the resistance

 

[Antvasima]

I also strongly agree with this.

 

[Wokistan]

Same.

 

[Rocker1189]

agreed.

 

[NeoZex6399]

ok

 

[Magi_Hussie]

I agree with this as well.

 

[Antvasima]

So, should we remove the text section in question now?

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

I believe there is enough support, but if you think so more staff may need to give opinions, we can wait.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

This seems to make sense, but there are different types of voids in fiction. But generally speaking, I do agree with this.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Doesn't really matter if there are different types of voids. If you can manipulate it, that's void manipulation. If you just exist in it, that's not manipulating it.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Well yes, I agree with that part. Existing in a void is not manipulation at all, but depending on the circumstances, resistance to it is applicable. But the BFR part is also something that might be questionable. Opening portals to the void at will still sounds like Void manipulation.

 

[Antvasima]

@Monarch Laciel

I think that you can update the page now. It is a fairly uncontroversial change.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Huh. Looks like I'll have to change some stuff on Tezzzeret's profile.

I agree.

Maybe the Void page could go over the different types of voids that can occur in fiction?

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

The removal of that second type has been completed.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I suppose that it could link to the Timeless Voids Standards page at the bottom of the page, but it depends on what Monarch thinks.

 

[Antvasima]

@Monarch

Thank you. Should there be a link to Timeless Voids Standards at the bottom of the page?

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Timeless Void Standards more refers to whether or not it warrants infinite / immeasurable speed.

I don't think it's necessary to link to it.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Maybe another CRT for another day.

This looks like it's done, though.

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

I have a quick question

Whats the difference between existence erasure and void manipulation

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Existence Erasure is reducing someone to nothingness, Void Manip is controlling and producing nothingness.

Void Manip is in dire need of a revision later, though, seeing as at face value the difference is negligible.

 

[Kaltias]

Existence Erasure is a subpower of void manipulation.

It's kinda like the difference between time stop and time manipulation

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Yes, however the Void Manip page doesn't really cover anything else as it stands, which is the issue.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Void manip -> throw a ball of darkness at them and it erases their existence

Existence erasure -> click your fingers and their existence is erased.

They could go under the same power, and I'm pretty sure they used to before EE got added.

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

So erasing a timeline and everyone in it from existence would be EE?

 

[Antvasima]

Kaltias and Monarch are correct. EE is a sub-power of void manipulation.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

I understand that.

What I'm saying is, the page, in its current state, doesn't reflect that.

Here, I'll make a quick draft.

 

[Antvasima]

Anyway, perhaps we should close this thread and start a new one if we are going to merge Existence Erasure into Void Manipulation?

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

I agree a new thread should be created. Want me to close this and then make a new thread?

 

[Antvasima]

That should be fine, yes.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

New Thread:

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2122559