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Higher dimension in DC are governing layers. The way we treat them is completely different from how we treat dimensions for other stuff.Adem Warlock69 said:-Nebula man stated he has become big enough to Cover the Universe in just 3 billion years, so that atomic bomb statement could be like the "his skin is harder than steel" statement from T.O.P DBS
-the Brainiac 13 he fought was the same Brainiac, as the one he fought was Brainiac 2,5 Who had a virus That upgraded him to his Brainiac 13 state, and Brainiac 13 Can't get stronger than this state without going further.
-It still should be added to Orion's page.
-MMH was able to Damage and keep up with Superboy prime in the fight, so they should likely scale.
- I think 4-D should be automatically Universal+ as we already know that Higher Dimensions are higher mathematical infinities in DC, and the rest of the description explains why Lord of time is 4-D.
-the storm was going to transmute the universe
I am writing it across multiple blogs.Antvasima said:@PrinceOfTheMorning
Thank you for helping out. We probably need to link to some sort of universe level debunking blog in the Superman (Post-Crisis) page, to avoid these arguments constantly popping up.
If that's the case, Darkseid and all the God heads should be downgraded, because if 5-D in DC is only one mathematical infinity above 3-D, it isn't Low 1-C, because to be Low 1-C you would need two mathematical infinities on top of the 3rd dimension or something like that, and because the 4th Dimension in DC lacks that mathematical infinity, 5-D in DC can't be Low 1-C, and probably Mr Mxy but you can make the argument of him being beyond time and Space in an infinite Multiverse.FanofRPGs said:Again, dimensions in DC work different. It's none of this R mathematical infinities stuff. It's all random and inconsistent. 5-D Ôëá literally 5-D. It equals imagination, the lifeblood of creation. 4-D is time almost all times, aside for Morrison using it as a branespace. And a person shouldn't automatically be tier 2 for manipulating time or using chronal energy.
So it isn't Low 1-C, as it would take 2 mathematical infinities above a universal structure, so The Godheads will be downgraded.Antvasima said:It is one mathematical infinity above universal space-time, if I have understood correctly.
Time still predominantly means 4-D in most stuff in DC aside for Morrison's cosmology. Temporal energy isn't gonna be tier 2.Ogbunabali said:Fan, that's only in Snyder's cosmology, not across all eras.
But it's 4-D, who cares how big it's AoE is, it's like Goku's Kamehameha, it has Universal AP but not even city block AoE.FanofRPGs said:So I looked at the self destruction of Aztek and it only destroyed a city block and Superman was at the very edge of the blast
Except aside for all the hype and statements for Aztek, he has shown nothing to be comparable to more traditional higher dimensional entities in DC. Read his respect thread; his best on-screen feat is 6-A and his best scaling feat is fighting Amazo and Green Lantern, which doesn't necessitate tier 2. Actual feats and showings are more important than just "lol 4-D," especially since we don't know what 4-D means because there is like 3 different interpretations of it in DC. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and all evidence shows nothing comparable to other proclaimed higher dimensional beings.Adem Warlock69 said:But it's 4-D, who cares how big it's AoE is, it's like Goku's Kamehameha, it has Universal AP but not even city block AoE.FanofRPGs said:So I looked at the self destruction of Aztek and it only destroyed a city block and Superman was at the very edge of the blast
The Parasite thing would be inconsistent then. Kismet is comparable to the Lords of Chaos and Order who are higher dimensional/exist beyond space-time, yet he couldn't absorb basic 4-D enegry? That doesn't add up.Adem Warlock69 said:He did a Universal+ feat before, The parasite one, Parasite is able to absorb Kismet's energy with no problem, and the Amazo and Green lantern Scaling would became Universal+ if they get upgraded.
And 4-D here is talking about Power, so it's likely the mathematically superior infinity and not the temporal one, which wouldn't be powerful in any way.
That's good.PrinceOfTheMorning said:@Adem
I have an Orion profile ready to go in my sandbox to bring his profile more up to date.
The Starman feat I am not sure because I haven't read it all but it is an outlier within the era and so automatically should be discredited for any later eras. DC was consistently between 6-C and High 6-A at the time. It shouldn't be included in the analysis because unlike later eras where Superman's status quo powerlevel is more ambiguous and stated by WoG, it's stated by WoG and shown in literally almost every issue that Superman isn't past planet level without some help.Adem Warlock69 said:Well there's still the Starman,Red King feats, MMH keeping up with Superboy Prime,Superman surviving Time Trapper Superboy, Nebula man,WW tanking mathematical 4-D power and I still think Aztek is mathematical 4-D as he has never showed any Temporal powers in all of his Runs and His 4th dimensional power is seen as powerful because it is 4 dimensional, which wouldn't make sense if it was Temporal.
But if we can only choose between High 4-C and 4-B, High 4-C is more consistent.
There's also Superman stating he's capable of destroying the phantom Zone, is that low 2-C? Or is that 2-A?Antvasima said:@FanofRPGs
In a recent Grant Morrison Green Lantern issue, Hal Jordan also performed an energy output comparable with a supernova.