Epic Seven Revisions

[W0NDER3X]

Since the current 5-B ratings are based on a statement, which rightfully can be interpreted in many ways, this thread is about to change it (as well as another minor addition that I'll get to later).

Unfortunately, Episode 1 of the story has little to no feats to go off, however I did find this statement in particular, which sounds very interesting.

What the statement implies is that according to Digitus, the Black Knight (Straze) is comparable in power to the Acolytes (Kayron and co), which means that Kayron and everyone above him will scale to Straze and would become Multi-Solar System level.

Since that's just a single statement that realistically has no feats to support it, I think Unknown, Possibly 4-A would be better. Either that, or we just leave them at Unknown and call it good.

Character profiles that would get affected:
Ras's first and second key
Both of Archdemon's keys
Kayron
Kawerik

The next topic is way simpler. Once this calculation gets evaluated, it'll replace the current speed ratings of the same 4 characters I listed above and will become At least Massively Hypersonic+, likely far higher, unless the calculation doesn't get a pass.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Isn't there 9-B feats out the ass for Epic Seven? Can we not just scale them to that?

 

[Slacjow]

The next topic is way simpler. Once this calculation gets evaluated, it'll replace the current speed ratings of the same 4 characters I listed above and will become At least Massively Hypersonic+, likely far higher, unless the calculation doesn't get a pass.

The calc won't be used, we don't automatically assume Lightning Speed for magical lightning unless it has strong support. (which E7 doesn't have, not even a single criteria)
And speed department in E7 is extremely inconsistent, the same Mercedes and even Ras had problems against bullets in E2 and 3 if I don't forget.

Unfortunately, Episode 1 of the story has little to no feats to go off, however I did find this statement in particular, which sounds very interesting.

What the statement implies is that according to Digitus, the Black Knight (Straze) is comparable in power to the Acolytes (Kayron and co), which means that Kayron and everyone above him will scale to Straze and would become Multi-Solar System level.

There's no way Kayron or other Acolytes scale to Straze, literally zero proof for that and a massive amount of anti feats.
They should remain unknown, unless somebody calcs Zenon's feat, which might scale to Kayron.
Gayron himself might also scale to some of Archdemeon's power with his Sword, which is powered by the Archedemon.

 

[W0NDER3X]

I might have to calculate Archdemon's movement speed KE, although there's no speed to go off.

As for the anti feats, Ras and a Spirit Lord, who holds the planet from collapsing were ******** themselves, because there was a mountain in the way. Epic Seven is full of anti feats, each of those should be inspected separately. Most of them are out of plot convenience and should not be taken into consideration. An example is fodders escorting Ras to protect him from other fodders.

An actual anti feat that has nothing to do with plot but should straight up not exist is Violet and Pavel (who are peak humans at best) dealing damage to Fastus.

Anyways, I'm fine with leaving them as Unknown, there really isn't much to go off at the moment.

 

[Slacjow]

As for the anti feats, Ras and a Spirit Lord, who holds the planet from collapsing were ******** themselves

Neither Ras nor Spirit Lords hold the planet from collapsing physically.
By killing Spirit Lords the Planet just destabilizes on a surface level, Straze did the same thing to Rekos and it's still intact but it's harder to live in it.
Also btw, from what I recall there's an infinite amount of Universes (I think it was stated by Sage Baal in his Side Story), so Straze should have 2-A range for Gates.

 

[W0NDER3X]

Neither Ras nor Spirit Lords hold the planet from collapsing physically.
By killing Spirit Lords the Planet just destabilizes on a surface level, Straze did the same thing to Rekos and it's still intact but it's harder to live in it.
Also btw, from what I recall there's an infinite amount of Universes (I think it was stated by Sage Baal in his Side Story), so Straze should have 2-A range for Gates.

Yeah not Ras, I was talking about Malicus and Destina.

I recall there are more than just one universe in Epic Seven, I don't recall infinite universes. But I might be wrong.

Also, Ludwig might be able to cover enough of the criteria to have SoL attack speed, too bad we don't have a cutscene of Ludwig fighting Kayron.

 

[W0NDER3X]

So in conclusion we leave the characters's keys I mentioned at Unknown for both attack potency and speed.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Isn't there 9-B feats out the ass for Epic Seven? Can we not just scale them to that?

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Destroy is vage so it shouldn't be tier 5 without further context.

Are attack animations used for tiering?

 

[azontr]

Are attack animations used for tiering?

I think they are for video game verses like fgo, so it should apply here to I guess.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I think they are for video game verses like fgo

Fate Grand Order? No. Not for anything except for hax at least.

 

[azontr]

Fate Grand Order? No. Not for anything except for hax at least.

Hm. Could've sworn we used attack animations for calcs in certain game verses.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Hm. Could've sworn we used attack animations for calcs in certain game verses.

I was saying specifically for FGO, basically everyone there is 9-C/9-B, 6-C or tier 1.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Well it's already being used for Straze I think? His S3 is cutting like multiple planets in half

 

[azontr]

I was saying specifically for FGO, basically everyone there is 9-C/9-B, 6-C or tier 1.

And Low 7-B. But yeah, if the 5-B statement is unreliable then pretty much everyone becomes probably At Least 9-B.

 

[DaReaperMan]

And Low 7-B. But yeah, if the 5-B statement is unreliable then pretty much everyone becomes probably At Least 9-B.

There are no Low 7-Bs in fate anymore.

 

[azontr]

****.

 

[W0NDER3X]

Straze cuts multiple planets and a star and the solar system goes boom. But that's only for support. Straze's power was compared to that of a fragment, which destroyed a planet, he also killed the God of Rekos, which while not quantifiable, even lower gods that are embodiments of planets are 3-B.

Straze's current rating is based on his fight against 4-A Ras.

 

[W0NDER3X]

Isn't there 9-B feats out the ass for Epic Seven? Can we not just scale them to that?

I'll do a KE calc for the Archdemon when I got some free time. I'll probably end up using baseline superhuman speed since it is capable of fighting Heirs and Guardians. From past experience, Archdemon's KE due to its sheer size will end up being somewhere in Tier 8 ranges.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I'll do a KE calc for the Archdemon when I got some free time. I'll probably end up using baseline superhuman speed since it is capable of fighting Heirs and Guardians. From past experience, Archdemon's KE due to its sheer size will end up being somewhere in Tier 8 ranges.

Nice! Something to scale the cast that doesn't have tier 4 scaling to!

 

[Slacjow]

Straze's Attack is called "Star Extinction" and that's what it does, literally. Most S3 are consistent except very few. (Like how Pavel creates a Wolf, he is not a mage he shouldn't be able to do that, he just shoots his weapon)

I'll do a KE calc for the Archdemon when I got some free time. I'll probably end up using baseline superhuman speed since it is capable of fighting Heirs and Guardians. From past experience, Archdemon's KE due to its sheer size will end up being somewhere in Tier 8 ranges.

Why though? There are far better feats you can scale Archedemon from.

 

[Zencha9]

gameplay feats are used in video game verses as long it doesn't contradict the story/lore

 

[W0NDER3X]

Why though? There are far better feats you can scale Archedemon from.

Do you have links/pictures of the feats?

 

[Slacjow]

Do you have links/pictures of the feats?

Just get into the game and check Zenon's feat, it's like 7-A at minimum.

 

[W0NDER3X]

I'll bump this, because I completely forgot about it.

So, I posted Zaeon's feat in the calc request thread

The speed will remain as Unknown, however Ludwig's attacks seem to cover enough of VSBW's criteria for SoL attack speed. I'll add this to the Unknown rating, alongside couple of characters having quotes such as "speed of light" or "faster than light" in game when they attack.

I suppose the Limited Reality Warping would be okay as well, although it was not commented on in this thread.

 

[W0NDER3X]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:DragonGamerZ913/Epic_Seven:_Zaeon_Nukes_Mountains

The calculation has been evaluated. The result is 7-A, or Mountain level. I'll update the profile pages when I get home.

The heirs, especially Ras, should scale above all Guardians.
From there, Kayron scales to Ras, somewhat. Kayron's sword also contains Archdemon's might, so there's that too. Kayron also said he can destroy a barrier created by a Guardian and tanked an attack from a Guardian seemingly without much effort.
Archdemon straight up one shot an Heir alongside the Guardian that performed the feat above.

Something else I realized - Ras does not have Soul Manipulation on his page. In the screen shot below, Arky assumes that Mercedes' soul is gone. The Archdemon uses others' souls as vessels. Ras didn't destroy Archdemon's soul completely, but it is implied that he can. This is supported by another statement, which says that Ras is the only one capable of completely destroying the Archdemon.

Summary:

• Mountain level for Ras' first and second key, Archdemon, Kawerik and Kayron.
• Unknown speed for Ras' first and second key, Archdemon, Kawerik and Kayron + the relativistic-FTL stuff added as description.
• Soul Manipulation for Ras.

In the meantime, I'll try to look for some speed feats in the superhuman-supersonic range. I have some in mind that could possibly work.

 

[Antvasima]

I was asked to come here via my message wall. What are the conclusions here so far?

 

[Antvasima]

If a calculation has been accepted, it is probably fine to apply the results.

 

[W0NDER3X]

I'll apply the changes tomorrow. In any case, I requested a calculation for a speed feat that will scale across the board, so the Unknown speed rating may not stay for long.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. That is good then.

 

[W0NDER3X]

Okay. That is good then.

Changes have been applied. This can be closed, I guess.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

Also, I forgot to mention that you should have carefully read through and followed the instructions in our Common Editing Mistakes page, so no badly structured edits would be made, and extensive cleanup work will not be necessary.

Also, if you changed the statistics for any characters, did you remember to update the tier categories at the bottoms of the profile pages?

 

[W0NDER3X]

Okay.

Also, I forgot to mention that you should have carefully read through and follow the instructions in our Common Editing Mistakes page, so no badly structured edits would be made, and extensive cleanup work will not be necessary.

Also, if you changed the statistics for any characters, did you remember to update the tier categories at the bottoms of the profile pages?

Yeah.
I edited the categories.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you. I will close this thread then.