Elden Ring Profiles

[Emirp sumitpo]

So how should I scale Esgar, Adan, Hugues and Moongrum then (since I made them with the scaling we originally went for so it's up to me to correct them)?

Moongrum upscales from BoG Tarnished, so

At least City Block level+, likely Town level

Hugues should be left alone until we can find a new calc for him, that being the GPE of the demi human queen and upscale Battlemage Hughues from her

IDK how to scale Adan tbh. He should at least scale above the fodder shit, similar to Hugues I guess

Esgar should be At least comparable to Varre. Varre could fight and rip the finger off of the Early Game Tarnished. So:

Small Town level, likely Large Town level

 

[RinneItachi]

So how should I scale Esgar, Adan, Hugues and Moongrum then (since I made them with the scaling we originally went for so it's up to me to correct them)?

Esgar:

Should be comparable to White Mask Varre via being a high-ranking servant of Mohg, being capable of using one of Varre's incantations, an incantation from Mohg himself that no one other than Mohg and Esgar can use (not counting Player Tarnished obviously), and uses a dagger also used by a Bloody Finger (Nejirus) who was considered impressive by Yura, a guy who can put up a fight against Eleonara, who is Godrick tier at least. Also can pose a threat to fairly late-game Tarnished. Scales to characters like Varre, obv.

Adan:

Should just be scaled to Tarnished, since he's in Liurnia after beating Godrick as he already does. But that scaling is debatable. For his Flame of the Fell God attack, he should probably have a "higher" rating.

Hugues:

Debatable if he should even have a page, but if his page remains, he should scale above random fodder mages by default. You could scale him to Caelid Tarnished as well, but I think it's questionable to do, for reasons Emirp has given.

Moongrum:

Should at least scale above start of game Tarnished as well. He does have potentially good statements, but they're too vague to apply. Also, he should have limited Holy, Sleep, and Madness Manipulation on his page. His shield can guard against holy magic, and he should have the Lucidity sorcery.

"One of the sorceries of the Carian royal family.
Alleviates buildup of sleep and madness.

This sorcery can be cast while in motion.

The Carian knights never waver."

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I think Finaly gets At least 8-B+, likely 7-C, considering going by the Carian Knight shield and sword lore, they fought against the Leyndell Knights. And Finaly easily made her way through all of them with a sleeping Malenia

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Should at least scale above start of game Tarnished as well. He does have potentially good statements, but they're too vague to apply. Also, he should have limited Holy, Sleep, and Madness Manipulation on his page. His shield can guard against holy magic, and he should have the Lucidity sorcery.

"One of the sorceries of the Carian royal family.
Alleviates buildup of sleep and madness.

This sorcery can be cast while in motion.

The Carian knights never waver."

Yeah, I feel there maybe something to scale him to early game Tarnished, but I can't find anything that does.

 

[RinneItachi]

Yeah, I feel there maybe something to scale him to early game Tarnished, but I can't find anything that does.

There are only two statements that can be used for Moongrum's scaling in any capacity.

"The enchanted knights, anointed by the Lunar Queen, were heroes of the highest honors, but fell into disarray with the decline of the royal family."

"These knights' swords could serve as catalysts, letting them wield sorcerous battle skills. Despite numbering fewer than twenty, this power made them a match for even the champions of gold in battle."

But these statements are very vague. They imply that the Carian Knight's are/were very powerful. Great heroes and capable of fighting champions. But that stuff means literally nothing without context lol.

 

[RinneItachi]

Oh, now that I think about it, there's two more statements Moongrum has scaling to/from that I forgot to mention. But they're both very minor.

Carian Greatsword description:

One of the sorceries of the Carian royal family.

Conjures a magic greatsword and then delivers a sweeping blow.
This sorcery can be cast repeatedly.

Armed with this spell, sorcerers gain the strength of knights, their loyalty sworn to the moon.

And Carian Retaliation:

One of the sorceries of the Carian royal family.

Swing your staff to dispel incoming sorceries and incantations, using their power to retaliate with glintblades.

This was the Carian royal family's secret means to prepare against the disloyalty of the academy. The moon and stars would one day go their separate ways.

Not very relevant though I think.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Esgar:

Should be comparable to White Mask Varre via being a high-ranking servant of Mohg, being capable of using one of Varre's incantations, an incantation from Mohg himself that no one other than Mohg and Esgar can use (not counting Player Tarnished obviously), and uses a dagger also used by a Bloody Finger (Nejirus) who was considered impressive by Yura, a guy who can put up a fight against Eleonara, who is Godrick tier at least. Also can pose a threat to fairly late-game Tarnished. Scales to characters like Varre, obv.

Okay

Adan:

Should just be scaled to Tarnished, since he's in Liurnia after beating Godrick as he already does. But that scaling is debatable. For his Flame of the Fell God attack, he should probably have a "higher" rating.

Agreed

Hugues:

Debatable if he should even have a page, but if his page remains, he should scale above random fodder mages by default. You could scale him to Caelid Tarnished as well, but I think it's questionable to do, for reasons Emirp has given.

I think he can keep his profile, it's minor but he still has his own backstory and he's a named character

Moongrum:

Should at least scale above start of game Tarnished as well. He does have potentially good statements, but they're too vague to apply. Also, he should have limited Holy, Sleep, and Madness Manipulation on his page. His shield can guard against holy magic, and he should have the Lucidity sorcery.

"One of the sorceries of the Carian royal family.
Alleviates buildup of sleep and madness.

This sorcery can be cast while in motion.

The Carian knights never waver."

How should I translate Lucidity? Shouldn't it be limited Power Nullification since its purpose is to negate these status?

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Oh, now that I think about it, there's two more statements Moongrum has scaling to/from that I forgot to mention. But they're both very minor.

Carian Greatsword description:

One of the sorceries of the Carian royal family.

Conjures a magic greatsword and then delivers a sweeping blow.
This sorcery can be cast repeatedly.

Armed with this spell, sorcerers gain the strength of knights, their loyalty sworn to the moon.

And Carian Retaliation:

One of the sorceries of the Carian royal family.

Swing your staff to dispel incoming sorceries and incantations, using their power to retaliate with glintblades.

This was the Carian royal family's secret means to prepare against the disloyalty of the academy. The moon and stars would one day go their separate ways.

Not very relevant though I think.

Carian Retaliation is on his shield if I remember correctly

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Also, might give us some interesting informations for profiles

 

[RinneItachi]

How should I translate Lucidity? Shouldn't it be limited Power Nullification since its purpose is to negate these status?

I think it would just be listed as a resistance to those abilities but they should be listed together with specification for what negates them. Like this:

"limited Sleep & Madness Manipulation Resistance Via Lucidity (Nullifies the effects of sleep and madness)".

Carian Retaliation is on his shield if I remember correctly

It is.

Also, might give us some interesting informations for profiles

I might buy it, not sure. I'll definitely be looking into it.

 

[RinneItachi]

Lol nvm. 40 Euro for each book, so 80 in total? That's about 82 dollars. No thank you FromSoft, I'll just be getting the possible DLC I think .

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Also, might give us some interesting informations for profiles

Poggers. Time to pirate them

 

[ArkhamDC06]

It is.

So Attack Reflection?

 

[Foxthefox1000]

By the way, what tier are wee giving Alexander? He basically got his shit stomped by Radahn with one swing and then he made his body highly resistant to heat in order to help out against the Fire Giant but should that scale? From his words the Giant was still more powerful than him, so I'm thinking it was mostly heat resistance that saved him.

But maybe not? I'm just not sure how I feel about him scaling to high stats since he's so pitifully weak to late game Tarnished and even Mid game

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

By the way, what tier are wee giving Alexander? He basically got his shit stomped by Radahn with one swing and then he made his body highly resistant to heat in order to help out against the Fire Giant but should that scale? From his words the Giant was still more powerful than him, so I'm thinking it was mostly heat resistance that saved him.

But maybe not? I'm just not sure how I feel about him scaling to high stats since he's so pitifully weak to late game Tarnished and even Mid game

He's seemingly a glass cannon, like he can do heavy damage to the Tarnished in Farum Azula but he's dura is ehh.

He at least upscales from regulars jar warriors.

 

[RinneItachi]

So Attack Reflection?

Sort of? It basically nullifies magic that it can come into contact with and forms magic blades out of it, so not Attack Reflection precisely, but I'm not sure how to word it.

"This Ash of War grants an armament the Magic affinity and the following skill:

"Carian Retaliation: Swing the shield to dispel incoming sorceries and incantations, transforming the magic into retaliatory glintblades. Can also be used in the same way as a regular parry."

Usable on small and medium shields."

 

[RinneItachi]

By the way, what tier are wee giving Alexander? He basically got his shit stomped by Radahn with one swing and then he made his body highly resistant to heat in order to help out against the Fire Giant but should that scale? From his words the Giant was still more powerful than him, so I'm thinking it was mostly heat resistance that saved him.

But maybe not? I'm just not sure how I feel about him scaling to high stats since he's so pitifully weak to late game Tarnished and even Mid game

He has the strength of the fallen warriors who fought and fell to Radahn. But obviously we have no idea how strong they even were, beyond the fact that they should at least be on the same level as random fodders we see in the world, but that wouldn't help him much with scaling.

And yeah we can't properly scale him to the player Tarnished when Alexander outright admits to being much weaker.

It's honestly questionable how he even gets to Farum Azula, as a side note. We teleport there after burning the Erdtree, but it's suspended in the sky off to the far, far east of the map.

Anyways, he'd scale above other warrior jars as Emirp said. So the best way to scale him is via scaling those characters.

Miyazaki told me via telepathy that there was originally a questline planned for Alexander to become the Elden Lord, but it was removed as the ending was so heart-warming it made people's hearts literally combust into flames.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Sort of? It basically nullifies magic that it can come into contact with and forms magic blades out of it, so not Attack Reflection precisely, but I'm not sure how to word it.

"This Ash of War grants an armament the Magic affinity and the following skill:

"Carian Retaliation: Swing the shield to dispel incoming sorceries and incantations, transforming the magic into retaliatory glintblades. Can also be used in the same way as a regular parry."

Usable on small and medium shields."

Maybe Power Nullification and limited Attack Reflection?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I think Finaly gets At least 8-B+, likely 7-C, considering going by the Carian Knight shield and sword lore, they fought against the Leyndell Knights. And Finaly easily made her way through all of them with a sleeping Malenia

I mean the Cleanrot Knights are capable of harming Radahn with their weapons so....

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I think he can keep his profile, it's minor but he still has his own backstory and he's a named character

He literally becomes one of your summons, he should have two keys with the second one being stronger after being upgraded so he'd be at least scaling to Caelid Tarnished in his Summon Key.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I mean the Cleanrot Knights are capable of harming Radahn with their weapons so....

Eh? They only did so with giant spears. And we know said giant spears aren't part of their normal arsenal. Their normal selves shouldn't scale

 

[ArkhamDC06]

So Esgar is "Low 7-C, likely High 7-C"? What would be the justification and who scales to this in general?

 

[RinneItachi]

Maybe Power Nullification and limited Attack Reflection?

Okay.

So Esgar is "Low 7-C, likely High 7-C"? What would be the justification and who scales to this in general?

(Should be comparable to Bloody Finger's such as White Mask Varre based on his status and equipment among Mohg's servants, can pose a threat to the Tarnished after they have reached Leyndell) Best I can think of.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Eh? They only did so with giant spears. And we know said giant spears aren't part of their normal arsenal. Their normal selves shouldn't scale

Bro, those are literally just rusty Cleanrot Spears. They aren't special and they weren't stated to be a special weapon meant specifically for Radahn. The only thing special about them now is the fact that Radahn imbued them with Gravity Magic.

 

[Qawsedf234]

hey only did so with giant spears.

They were the standard Cleanrot Spears

Greatarrows used by the General Radahns during the festival of combat. These are in fact the many spears with which he was stabbed by the Cleanrot Knights.

Imbued with Radahn's gravitational power.

The heads of the weapons are the same, though for some reason the ones Radahn uses are notably thicker than what we see enemies using.

But being stabbing a bunch in the back shouldn't mean much anyways since he fought an amped Malenia right after and was still able to stalemate her.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

They were the standard Cleanrot Spears

The heads of the weapons are the same, though for some reason the ones Radahn uses are notably thicker than what we see enemies using.

But being stabbing a bunch in the back shouldn't mean much anyways since he fought an amped Malenia right after and was still able to stalemate her.

I wasn't trying to say they nerfed him, I was saying the Cleanrot Knights should downscale from Radahn and Malenia since they literally damaged him.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I'm not sure if they even downscale. Radahn slaughtered the majority of them in pitched combat, went on to destroy Malenia's arm and then went on to stalemate her again. I guess a possibly higher rating is fine but to suggest they're 7-A/High 4-C is just weird in my view.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I'm not sure if they even downscale. Radahn slaughtered the majority of them in pitched combat, went on to destroy Malenia's arm and then went on to stalemate her again. I guess a possibly higher rating is fine but to suggest they're 7-A/High 4-C is just weird in my view.

I get that, I really do but they literally damaged him. A lot actually considering he has so many of those ******* spears impaled in his back and on his person.

 

[Qawsedf234]

A lot actually

That's what I mean. They clearly didn't damage him a lot. Since he went on to kill them all and then fight Malenia in such a even fight that she stabbed herself since she couldn't beat him in a straight duel. He then has fought people in a constant yearly festival with all those things in his back and he's killed all of them.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

That's what I mean. They clearly didn't damage him a lot. Since he went on to kill them all and then fight Malenia in such a even fight that she stabbed herself since she couldn't beat him in a straight duel. He then has fought people in a constant yearly festival with all those things in his back and he's killed all of them.

OK, maybe I worded it poorly but I don't mean they did a lot of damage, I'm just saying they were able to damage him a lot as in "They can consistently do damage to him even if he doesn't care about it".

 

[Qawsedf234]

I'm fine with a "possibly higher" rating, but when Radahn kills all of them when outnumbered, has enough stamina to fight Malenia, destroys her arm, let her put on a new arm and then still stalemated her I don't think they should be given a hard rating.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I'm fine with a "possibly higher" rating, but when Radahn kills all of them when outnumbered, has enough stamina to fight Malenia, destroys her arm, let her put on a new arm and then still stalemated her I don't think they should be given a hard rating.

That's gonna annoy the **** out of me. Just Downscale them from Mindless Radahn and we would literally be golden.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

I'm fine with a "possibly higher" rating, but when Radahn kills all of them when outnumbered, has enough stamina to fight Malenia, destroys her arm, let her put on a new arm and then still stalemated her I don't think they should be given a hard rating.

I mean, yeah, they wounded him but only with greatspears and they certainly didn't overwhelm him

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I mean, yeah, they wounded him but only with greatspears and they certainly didn't overwhelm him

But it's their literal only Scaling Feat that isn't fighting the Tarnished or Radahn's Soldiers.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

True, the problem is that Radahn was clearly not impaired by there attacks, the simple fact that he was able to battle Malenia and stalemate her, to the point she had to unleash the Rot for the first time in her life, in spite of having become a giant hedgehog from getting stabbed by dozens of their spears shows this didn't slow him down in the slightest

They could still get something like "higher with great spears" since they could "wound" him though. I can add this to their profile (since I'm planning on making a profile for the enemy Cleanrot Knights in general)

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

True, the problem is that Radahn was clearly not impaired by there attacks, the simple fact that he was able to battle Malenia and stalemate her, to the point she had to unleash the Rot for the first time in her life, in spite of having become a giant hedgehog from getting stabbed by dozens of their spears shows this didn't slow him down in the slightest

They could still get something like "higher with great spears" since they could "wound" him though. I can add this to their profile (since I'm planning on making a profile for the enemy Cleanrot Knights in general)

It wouldn't be the first time an enemy in Elden Ring has literally been impaled several times over and didn't give a shit as shown throughout the game but whatever. I'm still pretty damn sure those are just normal Cleanrot Spears and not Greatspears.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

It wouldn't be the first time an enemy in Elden Ring has literally been impaled several times over and didn't give a shit as shown throughout the game but whatever. I'm still pretty damn sure those are just normal Cleanrot Spears and not Greatspears.

The only thing missing is the round part at the center, otherwise the two seem to be similar so I don't know

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

The only thing missing is the round part at the center, otherwise the two seem to be similar so I don't know

They're also really rust and damaged so that could've broken off of the Spear but it is a little odd, I'll admit that. You'd think we'd be able to find a Clearot Greatspear given we can find literally every else they have.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

It's particulary notable in that the rest is ver ysimilar and it doesn't seem the spear Radahn throws at our face had that part and that it was broken. It's such a specific detail, it's really difficult to guess if this is the same weapon or not

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Bro, those are literally just rusty Cleanrot Spears. They aren't special and they weren't stated to be a special weapon meant specifically for Radahn. The only thing special about them now is the fact that Radahn imbued them with Gravity Magic.

These are far larger than the spears the Cleanrots normally use, evenn in the gameplay ttrailer the spear they used is huge compared to what they normally use, not only that, they are also different in design (Albeit those differences aren't immediately noticeable.