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Eh? It's more just normal Malenia he fought, since she's nerfed when she has the needle.
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True. The intention I meant to go with is that Malenia removed her needle and gave up her pride to go after Radahn with everything she had and still essentially couldn't do anything to win besides stab herself.
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TBH, I think you could make the argument that Finlay had to make her way past the Draconic Tree Sentinel and Magma Wymr, both of which can fight Millicent, who's 8-A+, likely High 7-C. Though I think Finlay fighting the first is more likely than the second one.
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Finlay fighting the Magma Wyrm makes more sense since I doubt she had the Dectus Medallion to even get up through the elevator so she would've had to at least clash with Makar if she took the natural route up which then leads right into Lansseax if she was hanging around there at the time. Finlay had to deal with some serious bullshit.
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TBF, she could've straight up avoided Lanseaxx, which makes sense considering her situation, but both the Draconic Tree Sentinel and Magma Wyrm Makar are straight up obligatory bosses in order to get past them.
Also thinking of it, I don't think Finlay would know where to find the Medallion to begin with.
Also thinking of it, I don't think Finlay would know where to find the Medallion to begin with.
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Considering this was still during the shattering there were likely still fuctional bridges around. A few of them directly cross impassable terrain or the oceans so she wouldn't be required to have taken the lift or secret route.
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Avoiding Lansseax is fair, I just mentioned it as a possibility. It wouldn't be absurd to assume she could fight off Lansseax since even Nameless Cleanrot Knights can harm Radahn to some extent whether it be negligible or otherwise so the top dog Cleanrot Knight Commander Finaly should be able to harm Lansseax at least if they came across each other.
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Did they have any bridges that led from Liurnia to Altus without needing the Lift because I sure don't remember there being any.
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I belive there's a shattered bridge in Leyndell that is implies to either hit the isolated divine tower or it goes to Linurnia. The bridge being there still would also make better sense than Malenia's army having the medallion or taking a secret path.
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Why the hell would they March through Leyndell during the God Damned Shattering where Morgott would never let them through?
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Not to downplay her exploit but I have the feeling she simply sneaked past many things instead of spending her time fighting. After all, she was carrying an uncounscious Malenia on her back, she had to be extremmely careful during her journey
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Her ashes literally say she was fighting a lot of people. Quote from Fextralife.
"Legendary ashen remains.
Use to summon the spirit of the Cleanrot Knight Finlay.
Finlay was one of the few survivors of the Battle of Aeonia, who in an unimaginable act of heroism carried the slumbering demigod Malenia all the way back to the Haligtree. She managed the feat alone, fending off all manner of foes along the way."
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There are implications Morgott still respected Malenia and Miquella enough to grant them some favor. Notably, he calls them the twin prodigies where he simply sounds shameful for the others (except Rykard) you can find a hearse guarded by two Night Cavalries in the Consecrated Snowfield that houses what appears to be Malenia's mentor's sword and it's hinted the hearse was carrying its body, possibly as a token of respect, so it's possible Morgott was aware Finlay was going through Leyndell with Malenia but decided to let them go through
Never said she didn't fight, just that she didn't necessarily spend all her time fighting and probably simply sneaked through some enemies during the journey. And like Qawsedf said, this was during the Shattering so bridges were probably still intact, allowing her to take paths we can't in the game
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They would be required to go through it. From Forbidden Lands the only way to Liurnia is marching across Leyndell. There's no way around the city afaik
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Just be thankful Finaly didn't have to go through Mt Gelmir cause it could have made the situation in the game far worse and put Malenia in serious danger
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I guess but it's just seems off that he would let that happen during a war.
I don't think Stealth is ever in the minds of people like this considering every other time a Cleanrot Knight sees enemies they immediately try to jump them. I know Gameplay Mechanics and what not but that's how they act and that's also how Malenia would've presumably trained them to act so it makes more sense for her to just Doom Slayer her through the Lands Between rather than sneak through like she's a Black Knife or something.
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True
And about the Assassins, do you think Finlay met some along the way? Not for scaling, just to guess
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We would have no way of knowing that but I kinda doubt it since the Black Knives kinda disappeared during the rest of the Shattering after offing Godwyn.
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It seems they were busy murdering Demigods since we're told Godwyn was the first to die and by the time of the game, all minor Demigods are dead (we know Vyke and Gideon at least killed some of them and it's likely the Godskin cult claimed at least one life but the Black Knife were the most active in the Demigods murder business)
Though tbf, it's probably good she likely didn't have to fight them. Just as it was good that she could avoid the manor
Though tbf, it's probably good she likely didn't have to fight them. Just as it was good that she could avoid the manor
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That makes more sense.
I wouldn't be surprised if Finlay could kill a nameless Black Knife considering she's considered the same Caliber of Summon as Tiche who was literally 2nd in Command of the Black Knives since her mother was the leader.
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I have no doubt she would have been able to defeat at least one of them but it would have been a tough fight especially since she had to protect Malenia
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Indeed.
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Speaking of Tiche, what Tier are we giving her? Finlay can just be upscaled from the other Cleanrot Knights since she's clearly superior to them and then gets buffed by the Tarnished later on, same with Tiche.
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No idea honestly
And what tier would the Cleanrot Knights be, 7-A/High 4-C?
And what tier would the Cleanrot Knights be, 7-A/High 4-C?
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Yeah, about that benchmark considering they can harm Prime Radahn (whether said damage even mattered to him or not is irrelevant, they still harmed him) despite the fact that he can butcher whole scores of them. It helps that we're given confirmation that the two different kinds of Cleanrot Knights, the ones with the Scythe and the ones with the Spear are two separate Ranks. The ones with the Spears are the bog standard soldiers while the ones with the Scythes are the Commanders. What's funny is that we also get a power difference shown since the Spear Cleanrot Knight is a Boss Fight in Liurnia but the Cleanrot Knight Commander is a Boss Fight in Caelid's Abandoned Cave, so clearly the Commanders have to be much stronger which also helps Finlay since she's a Commander.
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I already stated those spears they're using aren't their normal spears. They're shown to be bigger than the normal ones they use. They have a few design differences, and even in the trailer it's shown that the spear matches what Radahn uses rather than what the Cleanrots normally use
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That is literally the Cleanrot Spear. It's the same damn length as their normal spears, it's not any bigger whatsoever. That also doesn't change what I was saying with the rest of the comment.
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Except both the trailers and the game show them having different designs?
These simply are not the same spears we see the cleanrots use in game
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OK, you know what? **** it, I'll drop the Spear thing but the Cleanrot Knight Commander is still a whole ass Boss Fight in Caelid as compared to the Spear CK in Liurnia and Finlay is a Commander as shown by the fact that she uses a Halo Scythe instead of a Cleanrot Spear. So clearly the Cleanrot Knights need a Key Split in general because the Commanders are just built different.
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Currently trying to get a Carian Knight build on my third playthrough and just finished it (including Malenia, Mohg and Placidusax) with an Odin build (quite proud of this one)
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What's your Odin build? Can I see a pic
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It's essentially an Int/Faith build with a bit of Strength. I went for Odin as his old man with a staff and a big pointy hat depiction.
Staff is the Prince of Death's Staff (Staff of the Loss could have worked to since it's a simple staff without an orb at the top so it's more accurate but thematically the Prince of Death's Staff fits better and I like the visual) and you can't see it here since it's my secondary weapon but I also have the Treespear to imitate Gungnir. Seal didn't really matter as long as I could cast Incantations but I chose the Golden Order Seal pretty much for aesthetics (golden light that gives off a divine vibe). For the outfit, I went for the Snow Witch's hat, Seluvis's gloves, Raptor's Black Feather for the torso and the basic Astrologer boots.
For the spells and incantations, I tried to stick with the mythological stuff known about Odin, notably his 18 chants that involve stuff like healing wounds and minds, controlling the weather, communicating with the dead and controlling them, being the God of Frenzy and so on, plus some other spells I chose to complete all of that, not necessarily accurate but Odin is supposed to have invented Magic as a whole in Norse Mythology so still works. So basically:
- Glintstone Peeble
- Rock Sling
- Ancient Rancorcall
- Great Heal
- The Flame of Frenzy
- Zamor Ice Storms
- Black Flame (he has some power over fire in mythology and the Black Flame is related to Death so it kind of fits)
- Lightning Spear
- Carian Phalanx (Odin can control weapons in mythos, normally he can make them useless but such spell doesn't exists in the game so I took something that would be related to weapons and his role as a God of War)
- Eternal Darkness
- Terra Magica
- Lucidity (for his clairvoyance in mythos)
Stats are 85 Int, 33 Faith, 52 Vigor, 46 Mind, 17 Strength and Endurance, 22 Dex (didn't care about Arcane so it's only 12). For the summon, I switched between the Mimic Tear and the Dung Eater.
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Oh nice.
It's essentially an Int/Faith build with a bit of Strength. I went for Odin as his old man with a staff and a big pointy hat depiction.
Staff is the Prince of Death's Staff (Staff of the Loss could have worked to since it's a simple staff without an orb at the top so it's more accurate but thematically the Prince of Death's Staff fits better and I like the visual) and you can't see it here since it's my secondary weapon but I also have the Treespear to imitate Gungnir. Seal didn't really matter as long as I could cast Incantations but I chose the Golden Order Seal pretty much for aesthetics (golden light that gives off a divine vibe). For the outfit, I went for the Snow Witch's hat, Seluvis's gloves, Raptor's Black Feather for the torso and the basic Astrologer boots.
For the spells and incantations, I tried to stick with the mythological stuff known about Odin, notably his 18 chants that involve stuff like healing wounds and minds, controlling the weather, communicating with the dead and controlling them, being the God of Frenzy and so on, plus some other spells I chose to complete all of that, not necessarily accurate but Odin is supposed to have invented Magic as a whole in Norse Mythology so still works. So basically:
- Glintstone Peeble
- Rock Sling
- Ancient Rancorcall
- Great Heal
- The Flame of Frenzy
- Zamor Ice Storms
- Black Flame
- Lightning Spear
- Carian Phalanx (Odin can control weapons in mythos, normally he can make them useless but such spell doesn't exists in the game so I took something that would be related to weapons and his role as a God of War)
- Eternal Darkness
- Terra Magica
- Lucidity
Stats are 85 Int, 33 Faith, 52 Vigor, 46 Mind, 17 Strength and Endurance, 22 Dex (didn't care about Arcane so it's only 12)
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I'm currently coming up with an Optimus build and a Flash build.
I'm thinking Optimus build would be Strength + Magic. Flash would be Dexterity + lightning incantations
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IDK for flash, might use the elonora helm.
Optimus I used raging wolf helm and gloves, blaidd greaves and carian knight armor
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His tail is literally a ******* Erdtree, wtf.
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The Erdtree is semi-implied to be this weird parasite thing growing from the original crucible tree. Probably related to that aspect in some fashion.
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That sounds... Kinda gross honestly.
You're using this for the profile aren't you? It's a good pic. Probably shouldn't be too hard to render
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The Greater Will's regime can basically be described as an alien invasion anyway
