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Btw has anybody already called dibs on Vyke and Shabriri? If not, I'm interested
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Elden Ring Profiles
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Made a blog for Vyke, will possibly post it if everything is okay (would need some scans for incantations though)
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Vyke (Elden Ring)
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Also, how do we deal with the Spirit Ashes? Do we make profiles only for named ashes? Similar question for regular enemies, how do we deal with variations of one type of enemies?
For example, I would like to make a profile for the Raya Lucaria sorcerers but they're divided between the regular versions, the two crown version and the lapis version, should I mix them or do something else?
For example, I would like to make a profile for the Raya Lucaria sorcerers but they're divided between the regular versions, the two crown version and the lapis version, should I mix them or do something else?
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Spirit Ashes would scale to their common versions assuming no lore feats and maybe get a second key if we include +10 ratings or something.
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Okay
Since we're at it, I would need scans for the Flame of Frenzy, Frenzied Burst, Howl of Shabriri, Fortissax's Lightning Spear, Lightning's Strike and Vyke's Dragonbolt if possible so I can complete
Also, anything new about the making profiles process? Like for the tier 4 stuff or Radagon's prime tier? Or really anything, cause it seems the thread is dying to inactivity, which is unfortunate since we were finally making profiles?
Since we're at it, I would need scans for the Flame of Frenzy, Frenzied Burst, Howl of Shabriri, Fortissax's Lightning Spear, Lightning's Strike and Vyke's Dragonbolt if possible so I can complete
Also, anything new about the making profiles process? Like for the tier 4 stuff or Radagon's prime tier? Or really anything, cause it seems the thread is dying to inactivity, which is unfortunate since we were finally making profiles?
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Bro, it looks good to me but stop using the ******* Land Octopus Calc for Lifting Strength. I don't know how many times I've had to point out the fact that it was Rejected for the LS part in the Calc Comments.Made a blog for Vyke, will possibly post it if everything is okay (would need some scans for incantations though)
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That sounds fair to me but all the Legendary Ash Summons kind of have to scale to the Tarnished by default since they all scale to the Mimic Tear who literally clones you.
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I got rid of the octopus mention, now all I need are the scans for the incantations I asked to @Qawsedf234 so the profile will be ready (if everything is okay of course)
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There's no real reason they would scale to the Mimic Tear. Just being summons isn't enough to scale since a pack of rats would be Tier 4 with that justification.
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I agree, the Mimic Tear is very unique, it's literally a duplicate of the Tarnished with the same powerset and level of strength, the other ashes shouldn't outright scale to it
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I mean they're all considered the same caliber of summon as each other though, otherwise they wouldn't all be collectively part of the same group and achievement as each other, just like the Legendary Armaments.
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They're ashes of strong people who've died. Someone who struggled capturing Godefroy and someone notably weaker than sharbearers like Finlay shouldn't scale to the Mimic Tear just because.
Especially when the Mimic operates on different summoning mechanics compared to the rest. Though like I said a second key or something from them maxed out is alright I guess.
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I'd probably throw in thr mention that Vyke was closest to becoming Elden Lord in the AP justification for the second key. He was only stopped after Jerran, Gideon's forces and some random army jointly took him down before reaching the Giants Forge.
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Yeah, Vyke is built different.
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Jerran, you mean Jerren? Also, didn't hear about the fact that Gideon and a random army stopped him, just that he was trapped in the evergoal after he realized he failed at harnessing the power of the Three Fingers
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You can see the skeleton dude, Jerren and a bunch of various dead dudes on the painting of Vyke's defeat. He was stopped before he made it back to the top of the Mountain since he had obtained the Frenzied Flame and was planning on destroying the Erdtree. Only him and Bernahl made it that far before the player character.
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Didn't he fail to harness the Flame like the game implies?
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Where was that implied? From the looks of it he completely succeeded but was stopped by a group of people.
We know for the fact that another Tarnished made it all the way to the Giant's Forge but Vyke was close to succeeding than he was.
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The game forces you to get naked and remove all your equipment to interact with the door that guards the Three Fingers. Hyetta even says "Go to the door ahead, after divesting yourself of your possession" right before you enter the room. Vyke's armor is covered with finger-shaped burns, showing he was touched by the Three Fingers but didn't remove his armor, which, again, is mandatory if you want to unlock the Lord of Chaos ending and thus inherit the power of the Flame, implying he couldn't harness the power offered by the Fingers because he had his armor at the time.
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Gideon and Jerren at least thought he could. Since the Evergoal he was sealed in was right before the bridge to the final area of the Lands Between. Plus Hyetta's states that the Fingers won't accept the PC until they remove their armor, meaning they accepted Vyke when he still had his on.
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He might have found a way to open the door or was let inside but since it didn't work, Hyetta is now telling us to get naked so this time will work (pure speculation on my part for this though). The rest matches up the implication that he failed to harness their power but that part is weird
About the painting, isn't it supposed to just be the game's cover? Especially since Ensha (the skeleton dude), Jerren and co are shown to be dead yet they're perfectly fine by the time the PC arrives, which (obviously) happens after Vyke was imprisoned? is it canon or just an artwork to represent the game? Not to mention it would be weird for those who defeated him to represent themselves dead around him like he was the victor
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Do you have any evidence of this? Everything from the game points to Vyke nearly succeeding and was only stopped by people going out of their way to stop him.
Assuming he wasn't complete for some reason doesn't have any in-game basis.
Destined Death is sealed isn't it? Death isn't permeant for anyone until it's undone, or at least it's not permeant for certain people.
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Also the person got the volume of the giant's plate.
At 77.2638 cubic meters, assuming its made of Iron, we can get the mass
At 77.2638 cubic meters, assuming its made of Iron, we can get the mass
- 7,874 kilograms * 77.2638 m^3 = 608,375.1612 kilograms (Class K)
- F = 608,375.1612 * 129 = 78,480,395.7948 newtons (Class M)
- F = 608,375.1612 * 343 = 208,672,680.2916 newtons (Class M)
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Nice, now we can stop using the Land Octopus Calc in the Lifting Strength Section since it was rejected outright and yet people still use it.
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You red my post right? "pure speculation on my part for this though"
True
I just feel it doesn't really have that much basis either, we should just say he was the closest to becoming Elden Lord and that's it
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Hey, random question, but are we using spells like Black Blade for reaction speed in the end-game profiles? I mean, quote the spell description for Black Blade "Power gleaned from the remembrance of Maliketh. Caster creates an illusory black blade, then leaps forward to deliver a spinning slash that emits a wave of light. This can be followed up with one additional attack. This blade was once imbued with Destined Death. In addition to dealing damage, it reduces foes' maximum HP and continues to sap their current HP for a very short time." I think that should reasonably mean Malekith and other endgame bosses like Godfrey/Horah Loux, Malenia, and Radagon/Elden Beast should reasonably scale to Malekith at least in terms of reaction speed (And also by proxy the Tarnished).
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Eh, I doesn't it even comes close to following the Lightspeed standards.
The closest to FTL you'd get is Radahn's gravity magic reaching meteors (Or stars) from space
The closest to FTL you'd get is Radahn's gravity magic reaching meteors (Or stars) from space
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Meh it's just some standard energy projection ability in the form of a wave of light, won't reach lightspeed anytime soon (unless we somehow get a statement that it does)
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So everyone Post-Radahn get At least Class K (for being above him) and everyone Fire Giant level/post Giant get Class M right?
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I suppose so.
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We're giving the Tarnished Flight for this right? Placidusax could use the same ability to fly straight into the air. I know he had wings but he still used the Cloud Form to go upwards a few times. 0:25.
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I think I have something to add when it comes to the idea around Radahn's Star feat and the lore tidbits around what the stars really are and how it relates to Radahn's rating and the nature of the stars in Elden Ring. If this has been addressed already then apologies, there is a lot of activity specifically surrounding Radahn over the last few months so I'm not really able to see a lot of it.
The stars in elden ring aren't really stars as was pretty much already established or is a widespread idea here, they are instead eldritch creatures. Seems obvious when you take bosses like Astel and Fallingstar Beast into account. I've seen people arguing that while some stars are "meteors" or the forms of other creatures like Astel/Fallingstar Beast, most others are real stars. I disagree with this stance mainly for the fact that in Radahn's post-fight cutscene, it looks as though that only a small majority of physically closer "stars" begin moving towards the ground.
At the start as well, notice that in the first few seconds the stars start appearing off-screen. To me, this indicates that the stars were not in the above skyline as normal stars usually are. This leads me to two conclusions:
1. The "stars" were in close orbit to the Lands Between, but were not directly visible. So they may have come from an orbiting asteroid field.
2. It lends credence to the idea that what Radahn held in the sky weren't real stars. Especially considering the fact that in the sky, we can clearly see a large sum of stars being unaffected behind the meteor shower.
In my opinion, what Radahn held in the sky were the "malformed" creatures much like Astel/Fallingstar Beast and were in fact not "real" stars. Astel himself being referred too as a Malformed Star in the item description of his Remembrance:
There are also a handful of enemies that look incredibly similar to Astel which are referred to as "Malformed Stars" in the underground areas of the map. As well as another boss named "Astel" in the consecrated snowfield, 6 in total with an extra 3 Fallingstar Beasts. So 9 total enemies which arrived to the Lands Between as "falling stars". There's also the fact that the Fallingstar Beasts, Malformed Stars, and Astels have relatively similar traits to one another. (Fallingstar Beasts have a growth on there head that looks like the Astel heads, which may or may not be an indication that they may be evolutionarily related or not.)
Given the apparent frequency that these creatures appeared in the Lands Between, In my opinion, it's not an unreasonable thing to assume that maybe, MANY of the stars he was holding back were creatures like them. Of course that kind of leaves the actual falling star that hit the Lands Between after the Radahn fight. Which looking back at Astel's remembrance description, indicates that he had been there a long time and was in fact, not in the meteor. So maybe not ALL of them are sentient beings.
The stars in elden ring aren't really stars as was pretty much already established or is a widespread idea here, they are instead eldritch creatures. Seems obvious when you take bosses like Astel and Fallingstar Beast into account. I've seen people arguing that while some stars are "meteors" or the forms of other creatures like Astel/Fallingstar Beast, most others are real stars. I disagree with this stance mainly for the fact that in Radahn's post-fight cutscene, it looks as though that only a small majority of physically closer "stars" begin moving towards the ground.
At the start as well, notice that in the first few seconds the stars start appearing off-screen. To me, this indicates that the stars were not in the above skyline as normal stars usually are. This leads me to two conclusions:
1. The "stars" were in close orbit to the Lands Between, but were not directly visible. So they may have come from an orbiting asteroid field.
2. It lends credence to the idea that what Radahn held in the sky weren't real stars. Especially considering the fact that in the sky, we can clearly see a large sum of stars being unaffected behind the meteor shower.
In my opinion, what Radahn held in the sky were the "malformed" creatures much like Astel/Fallingstar Beast and were in fact not "real" stars. Astel himself being referred too as a Malformed Star in the item description of his Remembrance:
(I know actual screenshots from the game are more preferable but unfortunately I don't have a way to get those right now, I got this qoute from fextralife)
There are also a handful of enemies that look incredibly similar to Astel which are referred to as "Malformed Stars" in the underground areas of the map. As well as another boss named "Astel" in the consecrated snowfield, 6 in total with an extra 3 Fallingstar Beasts. So 9 total enemies which arrived to the Lands Between as "falling stars". There's also the fact that the Fallingstar Beasts, Malformed Stars, and Astels have relatively similar traits to one another. (Fallingstar Beasts have a growth on there head that looks like the Astel heads, which may or may not be an indication that they may be evolutionarily related or not.)
Given the apparent frequency that these creatures appeared in the Lands Between, In my opinion, it's not an unreasonable thing to assume that maybe, MANY of the stars he was holding back were creatures like them. Of course that kind of leaves the actual falling star that hit the Lands Between after the Radahn fight. Which looking back at Astel's remembrance description, indicates that he had been there a long time and was in fact, not in the meteor. So maybe not ALL of them are sentient beings.
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Currently the High 4-C rating comes from the various objects or class descriptions stating that the stars control fate and how Radahn stopped fate. The Starbeasts are also unrelated to fate since the Moon of Nokstella and the Lord of Night can control fate but not the Starbeasts.
But at the moment it's only just vaguely above baseline High 4-C as a possibly rating and we've tossed my calc of the star count and only use it for the meteor end.
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I see, maybe my understanding of what happened is wrong then and I took it too much at face value.
But I still don't really understand that since after Radahn's death, he was also in control of the movement of the star shower but also of the actual stars themselves? It would seem to me that the Starbeasts and the actual stars guided by the Moon of Nokstella would be unrelated in this instance and that the Starbeasts would be left unimpeded by Radahn if his goal was to stop fate versus stopping the Starbeasts. Especially since the Greater Will used Astel to punish the Nox, I would assume that the Starbeasts' appearance would be left unabated by the Golden Order considering they seem to be used as tools by the Greater Will.
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Elden Ring cosmology, however you spell it, is a headache
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At this point the Radahn stars feat and ER Cosmology can go f*** themselves lel
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Why should we assume he didn't affect both the stars and the Starbeasts? Because he only targeted the stars?
If I use a fishing net to block fishes, that means octopus will be able to pass through because they're unrelated to fishes and they weren't my primary target? He clearly affected both, wether or not that was his intended goal
As for the Golden Order, I don't see the point here. Radahn clearly doesn't care about the order, if he did he wouldn't have tried to attack Leyndell or become Elden Lord, especially since he wasn't an Empyrean like Ranni, Malenia and Miquella and thus didn't have any rightfull claim to the throne.
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Also, I don't know who's dealing with Maliketh but he probably should have Acausality. Killing his Gurranq form in Caelid doesn't affect the "main" Maliketh in Farum Azula, same for the opposite, if you kill Maliketh before finishing Gurranq's quest, Gurranq is still there waiting for more Deathroots
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I feel like comparing Gravity Magic to fishing nets is a false equivalence. Radahn was a supposed master of the art so I don't see why he wouldn't be able to distinguish control over the Starbeasts and the actual Stars themselves, especially since assuming he had control over the full movements of the stars would also assume that
he had the range to do so. Either way he clearly didn't care about the Starbeasts being there.
At the time Radahn arrested the movement of the stars, he was definitely still allied with Leyndell as this was before the shattering. Radahn's relationship with the Golden Order seems to be mainly attributed to his loyalty to Radagon and ,after Merika disappeared to destroy the Elden Ring (and consequently Radagon as well), the government and societal structure of both the Lands Between and the Golden Order had effectively collapsed. Other Demigods were racing to claim pieces of the Elden Ring in order to accomplish there own goals: Malenia and Miquella wanted to free themselves from the influence of the Erdtree and the Greater Will, Ranni as well wanted to be free from the Outer Gods' influence and travel the stars, Rykard wanted to devour the Gods in order to challenge the Greater Will. All in all, the motivations of ALL the Demigods could be looked at as treasonous to the Golden Order. Radahn was probably the only one who wanted truly reinstate the Elden Ring and continue the rule of the Greater Will.
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