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Them and maybe the Dragon Lord.
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Elden Ring Profiles
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And for the demigods? Would we have Malenia highest? She's never known defeat, achieves a new likely more powerful form after having stalemated Radahn, likely making her > him now, and the rune rewards for her are the highest of the demigods, implying you'd fight her last.
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Probably not in her base state. Its mentioned that she had to get rid of her pride (so get rid of the needle) and use the Rot's full power to fight Radahn and still only stalemated him, so she had to kill herself to trigger her rebirth power. Making it worse she did that after Radahn had already been shanked by an army of Cleanrot Knights before hand.
Her second form being above Radahn makes sense, though I don't know if she would beat Radahn at 100% either.
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Yeah, Radahn VS Malenia is a big debate within the community it seems.
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They're comparable. But I do think Malenia had more going for her in their fight than Radahn and still only stalemated him.
Her Rot Goddess state is notably above her base form. I'm just not 100% if its better than a prime Radahn either.
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Eh? I'm pretty sure the game makes it clear goddess of rot Malenia is much more powerful than Radagon or any demi god.
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Also I'm pretty blade of miquella is her base state, and her base is comparable to Radahn.
Goddess of Rot Malenia > Malenia blade of Miquella = Prime Radahn
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By the way, I've seen people saying that Radahn holding back the stars doesn't take power and that he was fighting at full strength against Malenia as a result. Is this just copium?
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I don't believe so
She took out her needle to meet Radahn's measure. She abandoned her pride as a warrior because that wasn't enough to win.
Radahn was also explicitly hurt before he fought Malenia
Malenia did not fight Radahn until after he had fought and defeated her army of Cleanrot Knights and got shanked a bunch. Even then she only stalemated him
There's a reason Malenia went to stabbing herself to actually beat Radahn. She couldn't do so otherwise.
I agree that Rot Goddess Malenia is the strongest demigod the player fights. I just don't know if she's stronger than a 100% Radahn. Every fight we've seen him in he's been injured or nerfed beforehand.
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It seems like a casual feat that Radahn does tbh, considering even his brain-dead self could do it. I don't think he was putting that much effort into it.
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Isn't the goddess/god status > demigod. If the game wanted us to think Radahn was comparable to a goddess it would've been velar with that
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Malenia wasn't a Goddess yet.
Its why you don't get the God / Goddess Slain message banner like with Radagon/The Elden Beast. When Malenia gets out of her current flower (assuming the player didn't give her Millicent's needle) she would come out as a full Rot Goddess like how Marika was the Goddess of the Greater Will.
Radahn isn't on the level of a full God or an Outer God, like say Maliketh, but Malenia wasn't a Goddess yet either.
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The way I see it "Gods" in Elden Ring are simply the pawns of the Outer Gods they use to establish their Order. But maybe I was reading it wrong
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Gods are the vessels/avatars of the Outer Gods, since they can't physically be on Earth. Outer Gods can seemingly only interact with the world through an Empyrean and then get the Elden Ring or whatever.
The Dragon Lord's fled god for example wasn't another Outer God, but his consort was the Earthly vessel for an Outer God and was driven away. Its also why Mohg took Miquella, since if Miquella because the God through the Formless Mother then they can usher in a new age. Final example would be the Numan/Nox trying to use the mimics to create a form for the Lord of Night without needing an Empyrean.
So a God in this case is the physical vessel for an Outer God, which is what makes them so powerful.
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Then why does the game call her goddess of rot? And we've seen her bloom 3 times. Twice onscreen, and once offscreen
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I can't really answer that at the moment. All I know is that from her remembrance you get an item that implies she isn't a Goddess yet, we see her Bloom after we defeat her twice and Gowry mentions that it isn't time for the Scarlet Valkyries yet
I think they're all on screen or known about
- 1: Radahn
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- 3: Us again
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But don't we face all of her off shoots with Millicent?
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Looks like there was another one that wasn't with them. They all wear the same clothing, we know for certain the Bloom wasn't Millicent and the clothing we find near it isn't big enough for Malenia who's like 10 feet tall.
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Is Malenia actually in that flower after the battle? I always thought it was just there because of the cutscene from earlier, implying the flower still stayed around even if for the fight it didn't. But I guess it makes sense for someone to be in there cause why would a flower just gift you an item, especially when it's the needle that's supposed to help Malenia
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Yeah. If you need the needle after Millicent the description basically states that you're returning Malenia the pride she lost after Radahn.
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Oh wow. So like, Malenia basically has resurrection with each bloom as an ability right?
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For the flower stuff, yes apparently Malenia is still alive in there. I'v posted some stuff some time indicating the battle "killed" her but she somehow resurrected in the flower and she plays an active in Millicent's quest with a special interaction involving giving the needle to the flower and recieving a new one in return as a form of trade and this is necessary to beat her to reach the end of Millicent's story.
For the blooming stuff, I had that debate with Emirp a while ago. I always thought she only bloomed two times, one for Radahn and one during the boss battle, which is supported by her Remembrance and more specifically the Scarlet Aeonia. "Each time the scarlet flower blooms, Malenia's rot advances. It has bloomed twice already. With the third bloom, she will become a true goddess." This clearly says she hasn't bloomed three times, especially since you get the SA spell after beating her, so after she bloomed another time. The problem was the big flower outside of her room which Emirp supported as proof that she bloomed a third time but it makes no sense with her Remembrance and, above all, the story. Blooming against Radahn was an asbolutely desperate measure taken because even her could stalemate him, it was a Godzilla threshold and nothing more and it caused her to fall uncounscious to the point Finlay had to take her from Caelid all the way back to the Haligtree. Also the fact that she spent her entire life trying to restrain that power, why would she bloom another time after that once in the safety of the Haligtree where she literally had zero reason to do so? The piece of clothes near the flower kind of solves it though since it's indeed very similar to what Millicent and the other offshoots wear (plus there's no reason why Malenia couldn't have produced more offshoots than the ones we see, after all the Scarlet bloom in the Aeonia battle produced at least five of them, wouldn't be surprising if another was born and we didn't hear about her).
As for why the game calls her Goddess of Rot for her second phase, I can't say it for sure but my idea is that it's a temporary state. First bloom caused her to collapse because this was the first time she ever used it after a lifetime to trying to restrain it, second time (the boss battle) I assume was less bad for her precisely because she had already used it before. Again, personal theory there. But in any case, she wasn't a full goddess at the time since, as Qawsedf pointed out, the only enemy we defeat as a boss in the game outright and explicitly stated to be a full-blown god is the Elden Beast.
For the Radahn stuff, Malenia and him only fight after Radahn has already slaughtered her Cleanrot Knights (you see countless corpses and weapons on the ground before they actually battle) so Radahn was already chunked with dozens of spears. While I don't think it significantly weakened him, it still kind of wounded him. About the holding back the stars stuff, it looks kind of casual since he could do it even in his feral state but it still required a certain amount of power. So yeah, I'd say he didn't exactly use his full power, iat worst he only restrained a small part of it but he still holding back to a small degree during the fight. Doesn't change that Prime Radahn=Malenia though. Don't know if Goddess of Rot Malenia is stronger than his primer self though, I would say yes but nothing outright says it in the game
And for the record, I don't remember anything saying Goddess of Rot Malenia is stronger than Radagon, where does that come from?
So yeah, the strongest characters are Elden Beast, Endgame Tarnished, Marika/Radagon (assuming the body controlled theory isn't right), Maliketh and maybe Godfrey and the Dragon Lord
For the blooming stuff, I had that debate with Emirp a while ago. I always thought she only bloomed two times, one for Radahn and one during the boss battle, which is supported by her Remembrance and more specifically the Scarlet Aeonia. "Each time the scarlet flower blooms, Malenia's rot advances. It has bloomed twice already. With the third bloom, she will become a true goddess." This clearly says she hasn't bloomed three times, especially since you get the SA spell after beating her, so after she bloomed another time. The problem was the big flower outside of her room which Emirp supported as proof that she bloomed a third time but it makes no sense with her Remembrance and, above all, the story. Blooming against Radahn was an asbolutely desperate measure taken because even her could stalemate him, it was a Godzilla threshold and nothing more and it caused her to fall uncounscious to the point Finlay had to take her from Caelid all the way back to the Haligtree. Also the fact that she spent her entire life trying to restrain that power, why would she bloom another time after that once in the safety of the Haligtree where she literally had zero reason to do so? The piece of clothes near the flower kind of solves it though since it's indeed very similar to what Millicent and the other offshoots wear (plus there's no reason why Malenia couldn't have produced more offshoots than the ones we see, after all the Scarlet bloom in the Aeonia battle produced at least five of them, wouldn't be surprising if another was born and we didn't hear about her).
As for why the game calls her Goddess of Rot for her second phase, I can't say it for sure but my idea is that it's a temporary state. First bloom caused her to collapse because this was the first time she ever used it after a lifetime to trying to restrain it, second time (the boss battle) I assume was less bad for her precisely because she had already used it before. Again, personal theory there. But in any case, she wasn't a full goddess at the time since, as Qawsedf pointed out, the only enemy we defeat as a boss in the game outright and explicitly stated to be a full-blown god is the Elden Beast.
For the Radahn stuff, Malenia and him only fight after Radahn has already slaughtered her Cleanrot Knights (you see countless corpses and weapons on the ground before they actually battle) so Radahn was already chunked with dozens of spears. While I don't think it significantly weakened him, it still kind of wounded him. About the holding back the stars stuff, it looks kind of casual since he could do it even in his feral state but it still required a certain amount of power. So yeah, I'd say he didn't exactly use his full power, iat worst he only restrained a small part of it but he still holding back to a small degree during the fight. Doesn't change that Prime Radahn=Malenia though. Don't know if Goddess of Rot Malenia is stronger than his primer self though, I would say yes but nothing outright says it in the game
And for the record, I don't remember anything saying Goddess of Rot Malenia is stronger than Radagon, where does that come from?
So yeah, the strongest characters are Elden Beast, Endgame Tarnished, Marika/Radagon (assuming the body controlled theory isn't right), Maliketh and maybe Godfrey and the Dragon Lord
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Seems so.
Here's what I've found some time ago about it
"It's not made clear if she's actually dead at the end of her boss fight. Upon defeat she leaves a large flower instead of a corpse, which is a symbol of death and rebirth for the Scarlet Rot. In the bad ending to Millicent's quest, she leaves a near-identical (though much smaller) flower, and Gowry states that in due time she will be "reborn" from it. Malenia also noticeably continues to talk for several lines despite losing her body and Rune and the Scarlet Aeonia obtained from her Remembrance describes her as if she's still alive and capable of "blooming" again. The Remembrance itself refers to her in the present tense, which isn't the case for any other character.note "Miquella and Malenia are both the children of a single god" vs "It was the vassal beast of the Greater Will and living incarnation of the concept of Order" or "The Red Lion General wielded gravitational powers." Some cut dialogue further hints at this (Is this... my first... defeat? Bravely fought, sir/lady. But remember... One day, the scarlet bloom will flower again...)
Then there's the business with the Unalloyed Gold Needle. If you interact with the flower Malenia leaves after her boss fight while holding it, you'll receive an Ancient Dragon Smithing Stone and Miquella's Needle - the latter being a new needlenote Close inspection reveals that the entire structure and construction is different and it's even spun of a new material with a distinct color and texture; it's not just a modified version of the one you already had. with a distinct design and purpose (countering the Frenzied Flame rather than the Scarlet Rot), and the former being a clue on how to properly use it (it's a scale of Dragonlord Placidusax, whose chamber in Farum Azula you need to enter for the Frenzied Flame to be permanently purged). Doing this costs you the Unalloyed Gold Needle, which you leave in the flower. The interaction amounts to a trade and a nonverbal hint, which may indicate that Malenia is still conscious. Notably, right before this option becomes available, the description for the Unalloyed Gold Needle also changes: it now ends with Millicent's quote about how she needs to "return to Malenia [her] dignity and sense of self"; in many quests including earlier in this one, reiterating quotes from other characters is used to give the player directions. And the prompt for the interaction with the flower? "Return the Unalloyed Gold Needle." Note also that this interaction only works with one specific version of the Unalloyed Gold Needle: the one soaked in the "dew" from Millicent's body, with Millcient herself being an "offshoot" of Malenia. The implication is that the Tarnished leaving the Unalloyed Gold Needle in the flower ensures that Malenia will still retain her mind and memories when she wakes up as a human, rather than being an amnesiac puppetted by the Rot like Millicent was when they first met. Additionally, with the path to Farum Azula opened by the burning of the Erdtree in all endings she theoretically could even be cured post-game. But since there's no further action from the flower past this point, it's impossible to know for sure what it all really means."
Also worth noting that, with two exceptions, every other main boss is scripted to have their death speech stop after the "Great Rune and/or Remembrance acquired" message comes up, and even of those two, Morgott does die when he is finished talking. Malenia is one of the two exceptions and the other is...Rykard (and that's not a good thing)
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Yeah I do think that supports it. Going off of that, would Rykard also potentially get an ability like that too?
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Possibly, I gave him such when I made his profile "Immortality (Type 1, possibly type 2 and 4, Rykard gained a form of immortality by being fed to the Serpent, wich has existed since primeval times without aging, and implies he won't stay dead with his severed head possibly being still alive after his defeat against the Tarnished)"
At the end of the battle, he continues to speak even after the Great Rune speech, saying "No one will hold me captive. A serpent never dies. Ha ha ha" and if you return to his arena some time after, you find his severed head and Tanith eating his corpse in an attempt to somehow allow him to possess her so he can return. Like with the rest, the game isn't clear if this is just her completely losing it or if this is a genuine possibility but it does seem like the head is still alive to an extent
At the end of the battle, he continues to speak even after the Great Rune speech, saying "No one will hold me captive. A serpent never dies. Ha ha ha" and if you return to his arena some time after, you find his severed head and Tanith eating his corpse in an attempt to somehow allow him to possess her so he can return. Like with the rest, the game isn't clear if this is just her completely losing it or if this is a genuine possibility but it does seem like the head is still alive to an extent
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If what Tanith is saying is true then wouldn't that qualify for Parasitic Immortality?
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Mmh you're right though we're not sure of how it would work, gonna add type 6 to his profile
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I mean yeah obviously it should just be a possibly and not a definite for now.
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Any news about other potential profiles that might be ready soon?
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Bump.
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Posted the corrected version of Alberich
Still have Gideon, Astel, the Elden Beast, Rennala and the Alabaster Lord to post, Gideon is more or less ready but I need to find gifs and scans for the others (found a website that allows me to create gif but it only works with seconds and I can't find short videos for the Beast's attacks for example)
Still have Gideon, Astel, the Elden Beast, Rennala and the Alabaster Lord to post, Gideon is more or less ready but I need to find gifs and scans for the others (found a website that allows me to create gif but it only works with seconds and I can't find short videos for the Beast's attacks for example)
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Elden Beast can't be posted until it's tier is confirmed.
If no one responds in the mod thread by Wensday or something I'll just make a staff post about the topic.
If no one responds in the mod thread by Wensday or something I'll just make a staff post about the topic.
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Can anyone give me the speed calc for the Transonic characters?
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Just some gifs
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Isn't there a calc for that? Ant is saying the Transonic stuff needs one
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I'm surprised Ant is commenting on anything Souls/Borne related. I've never seen him around those kinds of verses.
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No. Though if you want to calc it just get the roll length since that takes one second to accomplish and just compare the distances moved
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He said the Alberich profile I posted was fine but misses a speed calc
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I'm honestly not very good at math (spoilers, it's an understatement) so I won't take risks at trying that (not asking for others to do that though, especially since most people here are ver likely busy with other stuff both on the wiki and IRL)
