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Eida vs Goku

The fact here that you trying to scaling a hax that have no feat and not related to Genjutsu is a fallacy itself. Idk much about Slime verse, but Zeno EE > Hakai EE is because his EE work on God of Destruction who already have resistance toward EE, that mean he has feat
 
The problem with this line of thinking is that this argument can be used to counter literally any in-verse hax scaling that even has a minute possibility of being non-linear.

_______ only has stated resistance to Soul crushing, so even though another ability which pretty much does the same thing can be used on ________, it's a different power in-verse so they cannot be scaled to one another.

That sets a shaky precedence THAT WE DEFINITELY DO NOT APPLY TO ALL OTHER VERSES ON THE WIKI.

That would literally nuke verses like Bleach, Reincarnated as a Slime, and even Dragonball itself. (Zeno's EE would not be layered since he's not using Hakai but another kind of EE)

Sounds like you guys just don't want Goku to lose here.
It seems you completely misunderstand what i'm saying and it also seems like you don't understand how in-verse mechanics don't necessarily contradict out-verse scaling/common usage's of abilities, i would explain what i mean right now but it's late were i'm at so i wont do it today but tomorrow.
 
There are clear enough differences to show that Eida's power is neither Genjutsu nor operates like one but is rather it's own unique skill
And as for stacking Genjutsu Mind Resistance untop of Eida's ability.... That's a really slippery slope that you would be trying to go up...
What exactly is the clear difference here?
Just that it's not genjutsu? That's my whole point!

That's an asinine counter to my argument. EM is just more specific MM.
 
The fact here that you trying to scaling a hax that have no feat and not related to Genjutsu is a fallacy itself. Idk much about Slime verse, but Zeno EE > Hakai EE is because his EE work on God of Destruction who already have resistance toward EE, that mean he has feat
But his EE isn't hakai and doesn't use destruction energy. and Gods of destruction are only stated and shown to have resistance to Hakai.

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You see how you can push this argument onto everything?
 
Many of the people opposing eida winning have provided good counters, honestly I don’t have the time to Continue this debate. I concede.
 
So the mind manip aspect isn't passive and Goku blitzes and one shots?

You can't it both ways lol
No the Mind Manip portion is passive, He flate out never resisted it. The Mind Manip portion doesn't makes them a slave. It simply makes it so they can't even try to damage her
 
In Boruto manga chapter 70, Eida's ability doesn't work against Naruto, who is right behind the door.

This proves that the range of Eida's passive ability is not even 10-20 meters.

If she's not going to start the battle with Goku at a distance of 5 meters, I don't think his passive ability matters much.

Goku slams no diff.
 
Wait, is this fr not a stomp match?
lol that is not how battle that involves Hax work, the person could be human level for all we care if he has a wincon then a battle possible. Code is probably stronger than eida but he is stuck because he can’t use anything strength or even speed.
 
lol that is not how battle that involves Hax work, the person could be human level for all we care if he has a wincon then a battle possible. Code is probably stronger than eida but he is stuck because he can’t use anything strength or even speed.
So if 1-A character has no resistance to social influencing or mind hax or empathic hax, and 9-B character got a passive one, then the match goes in favour of 9B character by that logic?

What prevents Goku to one shot her instead?

Tbh, call staff to revise this.
 
lol that is not how battle that involves Hax work, the person could be human level for all we care if he has a wincon then a battle possible.
Lol that is a different debate do you what tier 1A is lol outerversal.

You understand eida ability if you do then you will know that strength and speed is basically useless if you can’t resist her abilities
 
Lol that is a different debate do you what tier 1A is lol outerversal.

You understand eida ability if you do then you will know that strength and speed is basically useless if you can’t resist her abilities
Oh really? And what prevents Goku to destroy the place before her ability? The range is not even given in the battle.
What is her range with her ability?
 
Ok so ultra instinct does neg the ability.

Since Goku doesn’t need to see anything for ultra instinct to work
Are you saying goku starts the match with his eyes closed. Are you giving him prep time and information about the oppornet?
 
Oh really? And what prevents Goku to destroy the place before her ability? The range is not even given in the battle.
What is her range with her ability?
if goku does not look at her he can easily destroy the whole naruto universe oh wait daemon might have something to say aboput that but let’s assume that daemon doesn’t exist. All goku need to do is not look at her and he is fine. Her ability is passive always no matter what even her can’t turn it off.
 
if goku does not look at her he can easily destroy the whole naruto universe oh wait daemon might have something to say aboput that but let’s assume that daemon doesn’t exist. All goku need to do is not look at her and he is fine. Her ability is passive always no matter what even her can’t turn it off.
Her ability range is also boundless? Really?
 
Her ability range is also boundless? Really?
Well it works like this, once you become a captive to her
which is activated by looking at her you can never be free from her ability no matter where you go are where you are .Lol code is mad right now even though is in a different dimension where she doesn’t exist . He is still affected.
 
Well it works like this, once you become a captive to her
which is activated by looking at her you can never be free from her ability no matter where you go are where you are .Lol. code is mad right now even though is in a different dimension where she doesn’t exist . He is still affected.
I am still asking for her range ability.
 
in her profile, there is no mention of multiversal range, but it is irrelevant right now. Alright, this is not stomping imao.
The multiverse is based on the theory that parallel worlds exist in the naruto universe hence why I said possibly.
 
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Are you saying goku starts the match with his eyes closed. Are you giving him prep time and information about the oppornet?
Goku literally does close his eyes to use ultra instinct. It’s not even prep it’s just something he’s done in canon before. Like against Granolah where he did just that.

Also the main point revolves around Goku beating Eida, and from that he has many options.

Either from direct resistance he has to the ability

Or from having enough willpower to do so much as flick his fingers

Or from having the ability for his body to move completely automatically so he wouldn’t even need to see her to one shot her

Either way Goku has many options in which he wins this.
 
if goku does not look at her he can easily destroy the whole naruto universe oh wait daemon might have something to say aboput that but let’s assume that daemon doesn’t exist. All goku need to do is not look at her and he is fine. Her ability is passive always no matter what even her can’t turn it off.
Doesn’t Daemon literally need to touch someone for his ability to work.

If so yeah Daemon is pretty useless.
 
Doesn’t Daemon literally need to touch someone for his ability to work.

If so yeah Daemon is pretty useless.
No daemon is not useless. He needs to touch someone to activate his ability that could be anybody like touch eida for instance. So him casually hold hands with his sister or anybody will make sure nothing ever touch the verse even beerus or Zeno. Lol this is why hax ability are insane.
Goku literally does close his eyes to use ultra instinct. It’s not even prep it’s just something he’s done in canon before. Like against Granolah where he did just that.

Also the main point revolves around Goku beating Eida, and from that he has many options.

Either from direct resistance he has to the ability

Or from having enough willpower to do so much as flick his fingers

Or from having the ability for his body to move completely automatically so he wouldn’t even need to see her to one shot her

Either way Goku has many options in which he wins this.
You have to prove to me that goku starts his battle by closing his eyes without analyzing his opponents, hence why i said the only way it makes sense is with prep time him knowing about her ability, thus he can just destroy the whole planet.

now the resistrance to the ability is what people are debating and honestly I’m not sure so I will give you that.

enough willpower will cause him to go mad. He can’t attack her that is the point. Shinobi are trained to take both mental and physical tortures yet shikamaru can Not withstand the abilTy.

read eida ability on her page.
 
My 2 cents on this

Eida's Love hax is Empathic x Mind Manipulation which doesn't have any direct correspondence to ocular genjutsu potency and layers as such its just a single layer of Love hax in on itself.

Goku and the whole U7 have already shown direct resistance to Ribrianne's Love Hax which works similarly to Eida's as it forces them to love.

Eida's Love hax may not even be a factor, the match would just have her dying to Goku's ki blast throwing he would start with at this range or him closing the distance and accidentaly bloodmisting her.
 
My 2 cents on this

Eida's Love hax is Empathic x Mind Manipulation which doesn't have any direct correspondence to ocular genjutsu potency and layers as such its just a single layer of Love hax in on itself.

Goku and the whole U7 have already shown direct resistance to Ribrianne's Love Hax which works similarly to Eida's as it forces them to love.

Eida's Love hax may not even be a factor, the match would just have her dying to Goku's ki blast throwing he would start with at this range or him closing the distance and accidentaly bloodmisting her.
the first part is possible
the second part is a no hence why people are arguing the first part.
 
No daemon is not useless. He needs to touch someone to activate his ability that could be anybody like touch eida for instance. So him casually hold hands with his sister or anybody will make sure nothing ever touch the verse even beerus or Zeno. Lol this is why hax ability are insane.
The quote says that only when he’s touching someone with his hands does attacks get reflected.

So if Goku attacks Daemon, his attack won’t get reflected unless Daemon is actively touching Goku. In fact, if Goku fired off any type of ki blast, Daemon is dead instantly.

Also there’s other ways around this ability. If Beerus destroys the planet then he’s not targeting anyone, not Daemon or Eida so they’d still be dead either way since no attack at them would be reflected.
You have to prove to me that goku starts his battle by closing his eyes without analyzing his opponents, hence why i said the only way it makes sense is with prep time him knowing about her ability, thus he can just destroy the whole planet.
He doesn’t need to since his body can just kick in to ultra instinct, which on its own should bypass Eida’s ability since Goku doesn’t need to perceive Eida from then on for ultra instinct to attack the opponent.
now the resistrance to the ability is what people are debating and honestly I’m not sure so I will give you that.

enough willpower will cause him to go mad. He can’t attack her that is the point. Shinobi are trained to take both mental and physical tortures yet shikamaru can Not withstand the abilTy.

read eida ability on her page.
The issue with the going mad part is 1) he doesn’t need to attack Eida, all he needs to do is so much as flick his fingers and she’s dead immediately. 2) He doesn’t go mad instantly, the first symptoms are fevers and headaches so again he can have more than enough time before he goes mad to do something as trivial as flick his fingers. And 3) Dragon ball characters have also resisted mental manipulation that forces your brain to go mad or cause indescribable pain so goku could simply just resist that affect of Eida’s ability as well.

I have, and there are ways around it which I am listing out now.
 
Though with Eida and Daemon being kind of broken I’m thinking of a match against another pretty well known broken character. Hmm 🤔

Hold up.
 
The quote says that only when he’s touching someone with his hands does attacks get reflected.

So if Goku attacks Daemon, his attack won’t get reflected unless Daemon is actively touching Goku. In fact, if Goku fired off any type of ki blast, Daemon is dead instantly.

Also there’s other ways around this ability. If Beerus destroys the planet then he’s not targeting anyone, not Daemon or Eida so they’d still be dead either way since no attack at them would be reflected.

He doesn’t need to since his body can just kick in to ultra instinct, which on its own should bypass Eida’s ability since Goku doesn’t need to perceive Eida from then on for ultra instinct to attack the opponent.

The issue with the going mad part is 1) he doesn’t need to attack Eida, all he needs to do is so much as flick his fingers and she’s dead immediately. 2) He doesn’t go mad instantly, the first symptoms are fevers and headaches so again he can have more than enough time before he goes mad to do something as trivial as flick his fingers. And 3) Dragon ball characters have also resisted mental manipulation that forces your brain to go mad or cause indescribable pain so goku could simply just resist that affect of Eida’s ability as well.

I have, and there are ways around it which I am listing out now.
For the first part that is wrong and you will know if you read the series,
1. When code was fighting against kawaki he brought out daemon to reflect the attack and the attack reflected, meaning 1 you don’t have to have killing intent towards daemon for the attack to be reflected and 2 daemon does not need to touch the person that is using the attack just anybody is fine hence why I said daemon and eida holding hands.
2 eida ability works on an instinctual/unconscious level so just relying on ultra instint wouldnot work because it invoives instinct ( @Purgy ].
3. Lol flicking is finger is intended to be an attack his very nature and instinct will fight it his mind will break from him tormenting himself. Lol the first symptoms came as a result of trying to resist it if he countinues his mind will be damaged and he will still be under the ability. Honestly his only option is having resistance to the ability itself.
 
This match just doesn't work.

If Goku resists/is capable to act despite Eida's passive Mind/Empathic Manipulation, then he stomps.

Otherwise, Eida stomps. There is no fair match, it's either one stomps or the other does. Please, someone call a mod to close this
 
This match just doesn't work.

If Goku resists/is capable to act despite Eida's passive Mind/Empathic Manipulation, then he stomps.

Otherwise, Eida stomps. There is no fair match, it's either one stomps or the other does. Please, someone call a mod to close this
Lol exactly. It is kinda just there.
 
This match just doesn't work.

If Goku resists/is capable to act despite Eida's passive Mind/Empathic Manipulation, then he stomps.

Otherwise, Eida stomps. There is no fair match, it's either one stomps or the other does. Please, someone call a mod to close this
You gotta tell me one thing, how “she” the waifu kills Goku.
 
Goku has resistance to Eida's only useful ability. This is a stomp, lol.
This is debatable hence why you see this has two pages, eida ability is empathetic manipulation, mind manipulation and durability negation
goku only has one of those.
 
She will tell goku to kill himself lol he would do anything for her because he loves her that much lol.
Oh ya, same as bad breaking lawyer social influencing match that got closed and OP almost got banned

“I will convince you not to kill me” 9B character won against Goku
 
This is debatable hence why you see this has two pages, eida ability is empathetic manipulation, mind manipulation and durability negation
goku only has one of those.
Those other 2 are after effects of getting caught under her Empathic hax.
You fall in love(Empathic Hax) > She can then command you(Mind Hax) > Can't resist but you try, you get the pains(Dura Neg)

Goku already resists the Empathic hax to begin with so the rest is a non factor, kind of a stomp for Goku
 
Those other 2 are after effects of getting caught under her Empathic hax.
You fall in love(Empathic Hax) > She can then command you(Mind Hax) > Can't resist but you try, you get the pains(Dura Neg)

Goku already resists the Empathic hax to begin with so the rest is a non factor, kind of a stomp for Goku
I thought that after commenting honestly. You are right and I’m wrong goku stomps.
 
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