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We have a scan that literally says "There are infinite timelines."The evidence is shoddy.
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We have a scan that literally says "There are infinite timelines."The evidence is shoddy.
Staff is 3-1 in favor of my argument as wellCompared to the "shoddy" evidence I have, the opponents in this discussion have NO evidence.
Who's the one disgareeing? Cause Phoenks doesn't count as staff, it's only thread mods and admins.Staff is 3-1 in favor of my argument as well
You are using scans from a gacha game refrencing cosmology that is not proven to be canon to DxD AT ALL.Compared to the "shoddy" evidence I have, the opponents in this discussion have NO evidence.
Who's the one disgareeing? Cause Phoenks doesn't count as staff, it's only thread mods and admins.
Current Staff who agree: DarkDragonMedeus, ActuallySpaceMan42, Elizhaa
Current non Staff who agree: Trigger, CurrySenpai, Yasuda_144, Memonto_Mori, Digital_Franz, Qliphoth_Bacikal, Grabbing_dragon, TotalMasterInfinity
Current Staff who disagree: Firestorm808
Current non Staff who disagree: BlackeJan (disagrees with rating game size), Vietthai96 (doesn't believe stars or real and that universes aren't assumed to be 3-A?), Phoenks (Disagress with 2-A Dimensional Gap instead believing a 2-C Rating is more justified), Tom4t0GG789, BestMGQScalerEver
Didn't include those who remained neutral or believe it should be higher as that's a different discussion entirely.
Because the basis of Re:Build being canon is weak. It's just a crossover gacha game. Having involvement with people who worked on DxD isn't anything meaningful unless they actually say it's canon. Of course the writer wants his own work to be represented well too.On what basis? Saying it's bad doesn't make it incorrect.
This is some crazy work, staff arguments don't suddenly matter because you didn't like them and think they didn't do their job.You are using scans from a gacha game refrencing cosmology that is not proven to be canon to DxD AT ALL.
Literally nothing on the thread suggests it is canon. Just because the author worked on the game and had a cross over with it does NOT make it canon to DxD.
Also, staff opinions practically mean nothing when I literally showed DDM disagreeing with himself on a QnA thread from THIS year. And ActuallySpaceMan has been radio-silent ever since I @ed him back here.
Staff not doing their job properly doesn't mean anything to your arguments.
It is canonYou are using scans from a gacha game refrencing cosmology that is not proven to be canon to DxD AT ALL.
Literally nothing on the thread suggests it is canon. Just because the author worked on the game and had a cross over with it does NOT make it canon to DxD.
Also, staff opinions practically mean nothing when I literally showed DDM disagreeing with himself on a QnA thread from THIS year. And ActuallySpaceMan has been radio-silent ever since I @ed him back here.
Staff not doing their job properly doesn't mean anything to your arguments.
If the author says he wrote it, it's canon. Simple as that.Because the basis of Re:Build being canon is weak. It's just a crossover gacha game. Having involvement with people who worked on DxD isn't anything meaningful unless they actually say it's canon. Of course the writer wants his own work to be represented well too.
Because the thread is 9 pages and most staff cant be arsed to go through that.And if you guys really, truly believe I'm wrong... Why not try harder to attract more staff instead of trying to run away to another thread. Oh, I know why, it's because the staff keep siding with me instead of you.
All they'd need to do is look through the blog which is what the evidence and thread is based on. Just sounds like an excuse to me imoBecause the thread is 9 pages and most staff cant be assed to go through that.
Downgrade threads after an upgrade can be made immediately afaik but might need to check back on the rule for that.Guess, I'll see Phoenks again in 3 months?
I believe it changed.Downgrade threads after an upgrade can be made immediately afaik but might need to check back on the rule for that.
mgk 2A was downgrade days after it was publishedDowngrade threads after an upgrade can be made immediately afaik but might need to check back on the rule for that.
mgk 2A was downgrade days after it was published
Nah, we'd win.So it's like "let them enjoy this moment fully before drowning them in the mud"
Wait. What? When did the 2-A get applied. Isn't this thread still getting staff input on it?Alright, since the changes were already applied before, I'll ask Ant to close the thread.
It got approved, then phoenks showed up, and we continued for 6 pages then Elizhaa agreed wtih the thread.Wait. What? When did the 2-A get applied. Isn't this thread still getting staff input on it?
Tuesday, a staff member said it could be applied after it got 2 staff votes (which it did) and it was applied. Then Phoenks first disagreed an hour later. It wasn't for a while and already had enough votes which was why it was initially applied. I'll be going to sleep but could you share whether you currently disagree or agree? And if you disagree still, why that is? I'll respond later.Wait. What? When did the 2-A get applied. Isn't this thread still getting staff input on it?
This isn't really helpful for you cause this means they agreed with the base arguments anyways, as the gacha game was just supporting it.I want to also mention that the staff to agreed to this thread agreed to it before they added scans from a random Gacha Game to support their 2-A arguments.
I already showcased a thread where DDM himself disagreed with the argument used to scale this to 2-A.This isn't really helpful for you cause this means they agreed with the base arguments anyways, as the gacha game was just supporting it.
Also, "against wiki standard" my bad, 2 admins and a thread mod were wrong, thank you Phoenks, lord of rules on the wiki.
Because the distance between any given number of universes embedded in higher-dimensional / higher-order spaces is currently unknowable, it is impossible to quantify the numerical gap between each one of the subtiers in Tier 2. As such, it is not allowed to upgrade such a character based solely on multipliers. For example, someone twice as strong as a Low 2-C character would still be Low 2-C, and someone infinitely more powerful than a 2-C would not be 2-A. This does not mean that the difference between these tiers is greater than infinite, merely that the difference is unknown.
At this point that's irrelevant as the argument presented in the blog has evolved to be more than that, focusing solely on one half of a whole is disingenuous and the argument just comes down to if Re:Build is canon or not. DDM said that when the infinite statements are paired with infinite timeline statements, it is valid.I already showcased a thread where DDM himself disagreed with the argument used to scale this to 2-A.
Being endlessly/endless/infinitely larger than 2-C structure = 2-A?????
Short easy question, is being endlessly/endless/Infinitely bigger than a 2-C structure yield a 2-A rating? If it needs more context what kind of context would it need? My train of thought was similar to the infinity x 2-C multipliers where it's just not enough. I thought that was the wiki...vsbattles.com
If that isn't enough for you, there is also this wiki standard:
Sourced from the Tiering System
Completely invalid. The staff that agreed beforehand are simply wrong. Even according to themselves , as showcased with DDM.
The point I am making is that the arguments staff agreed with on this thread are objectively not viable for 2-A.At this point that's irrelevant as the argument presented in the blog has evolved to be more than that, focusing solely on one half of a whole is disingenuous and the argument just comes down to if Re:Build is canon or not. DDM said that when the infinite statements are paired with infinite timeline statements, it is valid.
"If there's an inflationary multiverse theory, expanding endlessly or infinitely in the context of new universes being born left and right easily justifies 2-B. Or if there is proof that there's an infinite number of characters who dream and each and every dream births a universe, that combo could justify 2-A. But as KLOL said, stacking multipliers wouldn't grant anything higher than 2-C or "Endless/Infinite" could just be referring to the 3-D space of the universes and not the multiverse."
But gn everyone
You could have easily left out that last part, randomly attacking our character and claiming we're sketchy is rather rude.The point I am making is that the arguments staff agreed with on this thread are objectively not viable for 2-A.
And they agreed before the Gacha stuff was added.
@Firestorm808
To summarize...
This thread was made with the argument being that the Dimensional Gap is 2-A because it is 4-D on an infinite scale.
2 staff apparently agreed with this, before any arguments were presented against it. So the thread was applied.
I then came in and went against the thread. As seen above, I have sourced reasons as to why this logic is just objectively not viable on the wiki for a 2-A upgrade.
The OP then changed the argument to include statements from a Gacha game that was never accepted as being canon to DxD.
And now, the OP is claiming since he got 2 staff to agree before these arguments were presented, these new statements from the Gacha game should also be accepted as evidence.
This is pretty sketchy!
It is objectively sketchy behavior that you went back and added scans from a source never accepted as canon, and then try to play this off as if they were and that staff accepted it.You could have easily left out that last part, randomly attacking our character and claiming we're sketchy is rather rude.
Prove they aren't canon (I'll check back later)It is objectively sketchy behavior that you went back and added scans from a source never accepted as canon, and then try to play this off as if they were and that staff accepted it.
It's not rude, it is purely truthful.
I got a thread ready to prove it. Waiting to see what happens with this one.Prove they aren't canon (I'll check back later)
SureI got a thread ready to prove it. Waiting to see what happens with this one.