Duel Savior Downgrade to 2-B

[Celestial_Pegasus]

After relooking some things, i think God (Duel Savior) and Touma Taiga should be 2-B, instead of 2-A.

Endless worlds are stated to exist:




We don't normally accept endless as being infinte however, and there are stated to be countless worlds on another occasion, so endless is being used to mean countless:




It's also been said to have many dimensions





In conclusion, God and Taiga should be 2-B

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Fair enough to downgrade accordingly.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

waiting for more input be like

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Looks ok to me, I'm fine with the downgrade.

 

[RotofBots]

I'm also fine with the downgrade.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

That bone pic...DAMN.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Since the thread is already up, Imnity, Ricolis and Touma Taiga should all be probably type 3 abstracts with type 3 concept manipulation.

Spirits are the embodiment's of 2 forces, the law of causality and basically life:







Imnity is stated to have control over the concept of causality, which as shown above she embodies:





Spirits also will exist as long as the world does, which might be proof for type 2 abstractness, though type 3 is ok with me based on what's already posted above:

 

[Elizhaa]

I can agree with 3 abstracts. I don't think Type 3 concept manipulation is legit if they can only control concept that they embody so they just have respective abilities towards what they embody. This principle was used for a CRT for the Abstract Entities created by Arceus like Palkia to not have Conceptual Manipulation.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Yeah that looks fine for the Abstract Existence. @CP.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Type 3 abstract existence it is then.

I will apply the changes.

 

[Antvasima]

This seems to make sense to me.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Palkia and the CT don't have concept manipulation because they have never shown the ability to manipulate their concepts, but rather just embody them.

You get concept manip if you can manipulate it, regardless if it is just the concept you're linked to.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

So Imnity, Ricololis etc should have type 3 concept manipulation then for being able to manipulate their concepts.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Well are they manipulating the concepts themselves or are they just using the affinity they have for causality to manipulate the world?

Manipulating things with the powers you gain from your concept and manipulating the concept itself are two different things.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

All that's said is that Imnity can control the concept of causality, as posted above.

It doesn't really say anything about " I am the embodiment of causality thus i can control causality", it's just "I can control the concept of causality".

Ricolis should be able to do the same with the concept of life.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Reading it again it looks like Type 3 would be fine then.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Cool.

 

[Elizhaa]

Wouldn't the Conceptual Manipulation be limited in this it is related to only one concept?

I think it should be mentioned that they can only control the concepts that they embodies at least on their profiles.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Well yea, they can't manipulate all concepts, just the ones they embody, causality and life.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

All concept manip is limited to what it has shown. That's just the default.