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Dragon Ball Super: Universes/Timeline Tiering Revision

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Reiner said:
So the case is far different from anything that ben 10 has and forget about them being separate spacetime's. Ben 10 has actual evidences that these dimensions are within same universe and has been evident many times. but we are debating that verse and leaving this verse where there is absolutely 0 evidence for RoSaT being 8nside timeline and timeline to be 2C? Nah, that's double standard not gonna work.
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OneRhasstyBoi said:
Why does Frieza’s statement about the ROSAT is being taken literally as fact?
In the scan in which Frieza made the statement, he used “perhaps”, which basically mean that is just his guess about the subject of the matter, not only that, he also didn’t know anything nor does he manage the ROSAT. Besides, his statement about not being a part of the universe will make you not being affected by the “ Strongest in the universe” is also contradicted by DBS Manga. It clearly shows that despite existing in the same universe as Granolah, UE Vegeta can actually grow stronger than him, forcing Granolah to evolve his right eye. It means that you can train to become stronger than the one that have “The strongest in the universe” wish and Frieza being stronger than Gas is just the result of him training in the ROSAT for 10 years rather than not being a part of the universe.
DBS Anime also has a feat of Vegeta destroying the ROSAT and he ends up being inside of U7’s scope. Imagine being in a room and that room exists inside a building, if you destroys that room, you will end up being inside of the building, the same applies to the ROSAT and U7. If the ROSAT exists outside of U7, when Vegeta destroys it, he will end up elsewhere and not U7.
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The evidence you ask for is literally in DBS Anime and it was shown twice.
 
Stefano4444 said:
An example would be both God of War and Marvel's Nine Realms, as in Marvel each timeline hold their own version of the Nine Realms, while in God of War Thor's BFR Jormungandr from Asgard to Midgard back in time.
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Brother, I must correct you that those 9 Realms in both fictions also have evidence of being separate space-time continuums.
 
omegabronic said:
how does this prove that it is in the same universe?
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They are not in the same universe because they operate on different timeflow. But the ROSAT timeflow is still being contained inside U7 space-time. If the ROSAT truly exists outside of U7, then when Vegeta destroy it, he would end up being outside of U7, and Vegeta can’t force his way into U7 if he is outside of it either, he doesn’t have any form of teleport.
Besides, I also explained why Frieza’s statement should be taken with a grain of salt.
OneRhasstyBoi said:
Why does Frieza’s statement about the ROSAT is being taken literally as fact?
In the scan in which Frieza made the statement, he used “perhaps”, which basically mean that is just his guess about the subject of the matter, not only that, he also didn’t know anything nor does he manage the ROSAT. Besides, his statement about not being a part of the universe will make you not being affected by the “ Strongest in the universe” is also contradicted by DBS Manga. It clearly shows that despite existing in the same universe as Granolah, UE Vegeta can actually grow stronger than him, forcing Granolah to evolve his right eye. It means that you can train to become stronger than the one that have “The strongest in the universe” wish and Frieza being stronger than Gas is just the result of him training in the ROSAT for 10 years rather than not being a part of the universe.
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OneRhasstyBoi said:
They are not in the same universe because they operate on different timeflow. But the ROSAT timeflow is still being contained inside U7 space-time. If the ROSAT truly exists outside of U7, then when Vegeta destroy it, he would end up being outside of U7, and Vegeta can’t force his way into U7 if he is outside of it either, he doesn’t have any form of teleport.
Besides, I also explained why Frieza’s statement should be taken with a grain of salt.
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Has been discussed in the previous thread. Thank you for the contribution.
 
Has been discussed in the previous thread. Thank you for the contribution.
I have read the previous thread. All they did to counter Null’s point was just Goten and Buu tearing wormhole apart always lead to the main dimension.
 
OneRhasstyBoi said:
Has been discussed in the previous thread. Thank you for the contribution.
I have read the previous thread. All they did to counter Null’s point was just Goten and Buu tearing wormhole apart always lead to the main dimension.
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Yeah and that's where it's done. Also don't you dare to bring my waifu null in the middle.
 
OneRhasstyBoi said:
Has been discussed in the previous thread. Thank you for the contribution.
I have read the previous thread. All they did to counter Null’s point was just Goten and Buu tearing wormhole apart always lead to the main dimension.
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they couldn't refute it, they made up so many excuses.
 
OneRhasstyBoi said:
Tbh, that’s barely a counter argument. Why assume that the wormhole always lead to the main dimension and not U7 is the only dimension the wormhole can lead to?
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Because multiverse didn't existed at that time, this is one of many reasons it was believed that RoSaT is in U7 but not anymore.
 
OneRhasstyBoi said:
They are not in the same universe because they operate on different timeflow. But the ROSAT timeflow is still being contained inside U7 space-time. If the ROSAT truly exists outside of U7, then when Vegeta destroy it, he would end up being outside of U7, and Vegeta can’t force his way into U7 if he is outside of it either, he doesn’t have any form of teleport.
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this was discussed in the last thread https://vsbattles.com/threads/dragon-ball-quick-revision.148343/
go read this one and then argue here

OneRhasstyBoi said:
Besides, I also explained why Frieza’s statement should be taken with a grain of salt.
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it shouldn't since he was right, the wish didn't encompassed him because he was in the rosat, again this was discussed before in the last thread
 
Braking said:
can someone do a ******* summary cus we aint reading allat
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you have goku in your pfp so no. I'll consider it if you change it with waifu one's. But for everyone else here is the summary.
Reiner said:
  • From the previous thread it has been accepted that RoSaT is outside the universe 7.
  • RoSaT was considered to be a part of Timeline because it had reasoning and few evidences to be inside universe 7 created because of the fact that RoSaT was introduced before the multiverse was introduced, but now that it is outside the universe and all reasonings that it had so far to be considered to be a part of Timeline doesn't exist anymore, RoSaT is not inside a Timeline anymore as it is seprate spacetime continuum, a dimensional space outside.
  • All Timelines has RoSaT being created eventually not because it is being affected by timetravel but rather as all timelines are copies of main timeline, kami story will be copied eventually who has destiny to make RoSaT in all timelines.
  • Thus there is no reasoning for Timeline to be considered 2-C anymore as all of the universes are within the same spacetime continuum and RoSaT reasoning on Zenoh profile has been contradicted.
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KLOL506 said:
Brother, I must correct you that those 9 Realms in both fictions also have evidence of being separate space-time continuums.
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Reiner said:
you have goku in your pfp so no. I'll consider it if you change it with waifu one's. But for everyone else here is the summary.
  • From the previous thread it has been accepted that RoSaT is outside the universe 7.
  • RoSaT was considered to be a part of Timeline because it had reasoning and few evidences to be inside universe 7 created because of the fact that RoSaT was introduced before the multiverse was introduced, but now that it is outside the universe and all reasonings that it had so far to be considered to be a part of Timeline doesn't exist anymore, RoSaT is not inside a Timeline anymore as it is seprate spacetime continuum, a dimensional space outside.
  • All Timelines has RoSaT being created eventually not because it is being affected by timetravel but rather as all timelines are copies of main timeline, kami story will be copied eventually who has destiny to make RoSaT in all timelines.
  • Thus there is no reasoning for Timeline to be considered 2-C anymore as all of the universes are within the same spacetime continuum and RoSaT reasoning on Zenoh profile has been contradicted.
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btw do you have an opinion on this KLOL506?
 
KLOL506 said:
Nah brother, I have no opinion to express. I merely came down here to clarify confusions about verses under my support.

I am neither in agreement, or in disagreement, or really, even a neutral party. I am indifferent to this CRT as a whole.
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ok, thank you anyway
 
Braking said:
What about the arguements from the other side?
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the only argument from the otherside that wasn't already adressed in the last thread is this
which is about a guide saying that the rosat is a subspace of the living universe, but this is contradicted by series since the rosat was said to not be part of the universe
 
omegabronic said:
the only argument from the otherside that wasn't already adressed in the last thread is this
which is about a guide saying that the rosat is a subspace of the living universe, but this is contradicted by series since the rosat was said to not be part of the universe
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if this is getting stuff out of the manga wouldnt this only be a manga downgrade?
 
omegabronic said:
the only argument from the otherside that wasn't already adressed in the last thread is this
which is about a guide saying that the rosat is a subspace of the living universe, but this is contradicted by series since the rosat was said to not be part of the universe
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don't be a liar, there are more arguments above, there are other dimensions above, and other arguments besides this one, please put them all.
 
omegabronic said:
the only argument from the otherside that wasn't already adressed in the last thread is this
which is about a guide saying that the rosat is a subspace of the living universe, but this is contradicted by series since the rosat was said to not be part of the universe
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What do our staff members here think about this?
 
omegabronic said:
the only argument from the otherside that wasn't already adressed in the last thread is this
which is about a guide saying that the rosat is a subspace of the living universe, but this is contradicted by series since the rosat was said to not be part of the universe
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i KNOW there is more agruments than this.
 
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