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Dragon ball ( Super ) Downgrade

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Goku get destroyed by any fictional character and here's why :

-Android saga Kuririn failed to react to a mechanical door closing itself:

-Piccolo beams that are not held back causes only city-level destruction.

-Freiza, Post Kami fusion Piccolo, Z gang, and Zamasu+Goku black were all strike by a solar flare, which was confirmed to be real light.

-Even the Gods of Destruction had difficulty tracking Dyspo's movements.

-and Zeno can't perceive him

-Zamasu and Goku Black are also Blitzed by a gas grenade, rendering them incapacitated.

-A Sniper bullet pummels into Black and Zamasu.

-Bulma's reacts to a Freeza blast.

-Kinto un is blitzing Nappa, which has been confirmed to be at mach 1.5 in the Daizenshuu.

-and Goku needs two days to cross million kilometers road, which is objectively below mach 30.

-The same Goku blitzed Nappa's living ***** multiple times.

-rocks are making Gohan shit himself.

-omits to respond to a spit.

-Kuririn is ******** himself as a result of some falling rocks.

-Yajarobi, a fodder, was able to casually cut Vegeta multiple times.

-Vegeta was ******** himself because he was about to be crushed by a boulder.

-Despite this, he has been crushed by great ape weight and fails to react to it.

-Guldo Tree level TK threatened Saiyan Saga Gang.

-Granolah building level TK hurting Ego vegeta so badly

-Moon bustersYet even with this, he died when he was smashed by a building.

-UI Goku was terrified of a slew of sharp rocks.

-Rocks are injuring SSJ Goku. And it was stated that even with Super Saiyan form he would still feel pain by rocks falling at him

-Some random fodder survives an uncontrollable Ki blast from post-Training Vegetabut dies as a building-sized structure falls on him.

-Apparently, it takes a few years for a galaxy level being to simply destroy hundreds of planets.:

-The same Kais were ******** and battling"actual comets"

-As a result of the fuel station explosion, Trunks ******* himself.

-Zamasu Multiversal TK at work

-The time machine is able to operate In a place where time and space were said to have been erased /:

-Goku would not be able to survive the Earth's Core.

-Vegeta and Goku werestruggling with/fearful of Lava.

-Moro is being ****** up so badly by Lava.and vaporizing his hand

-Bulmas ship is unaffected by Beerus and Goku's Universal Shockwave.

The Gizllion of Ton Lifting feats of DB characters

- Here's an other example

-Vegeta was "tricked" into losing Ki control and had to narrow his attack instead.

-likewise

-Goku takes damage from impact that could barely crack ice on the ground

-Current Goku has his paced matched by someone who was blitzed by falling trash

-Universal level punch

-Ah yes Moon level AP , and Piccolo was impressed by it's destructive capacity

-the same Piccolo who was impressed by Nappa's small crater level explosion

-i guess Shotguns are planet level now

-Planet level Saibaman in action

-Universal Train with FTL speed

-That Rock clearly had MFTL+ speed with Planet level Kinetic energy
 
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pretty sure goku can get sick, so he has to be downgraded to below human via being able to die to sicknesses :/
 
I agree 100% with this logical downgrade.

Goku's extremely wanked on this wiki and gets one-shotted by Luffy going off his actual consistent scaling.
 
I don't understand. Even when downplaying, that explosion clearly dwarfs those mountains, I wouldn't be surprised if it's tier 6.
 
Hmmmm, then we shall name the new tier for this that make Yamcha look like all godmode characters combined

And we shall call it "Goku hit by train" tier

And sadly i can't elaborate my word for much lower tier so sorry for the still supreme wank
 
The funny thing is that this is really the constant level that we see in the manga.
I think it's strange to ignore all this and only focus on the best feats (which don't even exist, by the way). But I guess on the wiki DB characters can't be below a certain level
 
The funny thing is that this is really the constant level that we see in the manga.
I think it's strange to ignore all this and only focus on the best feats (which don't even exist, by the way). But I guess on the wiki DB characters can't be below a certain level
Are you suggesting that db characters are actually this strong?
 
Are you suggesting that db characters are actually this strong?
I say that the information on the profiles of the characters of DB/DBS are completely exaggerated

In the DB manga the two best feats are planet level but apparently Cell's hyperbolic statement is enough proof to put the characters in tier 4 while in the manga we see Goku and Vegeta unable to stop a planet buster attack during the final arc

Goku DBS is universe level because of the hypothetical destruction of the universe during the fight against Beerus but the destruction of the universe had nothing to do with the direct power of Goku and Beerus

The characters are MFTL+ using an endless chain of calc scaling based on assumptions while the real exploits of the series do not come close
In the DBS anime I saw and the DBS manga I read, a Goku low 2-C and MFTL+ does not exist
 
Why do u think it was hyperbole?
Cell had just got a big PU and he was more arrogant than ever, moreover in the following arc no character showed a solar system feat and Buu who is a destruction machine destroyed only one planet with his attack...

In DB the antagonists often exaggerate about their levels, Vegeta said he was the strongest in the universe, Barta said he was the fastest, Frieza thought he could kill Goku with one attack, Buuhan said he is much more powerful than Vegetto etc.

In my opinion, accepting a statement from an arrogant character who talks about himself when no feat of such caliber is visible in the manga is a bad idea
 
In my opinion, accepting a statement from an arrogant character who talks about himself when no feat of such caliber is visible in the manga is a bad idea
It’s backed in guides, games, and even I think a website all say that cell is a solar system buster, hell, the attack is even called Solar Kamehameha in some media. Plus, everybody else believes him in the story.
 
Well yes but unfortunately when everything ever doubles down and confirms Cell's statement as factual, it's no longer just "funny man has an ego", it's "he said a thing and everything ever reconfirms it".

Also Ki control unironically a thing.
 
It’s backed in guides, games, and even I think a website all say that cell is a solar system buster, hell, the attack is even called Solar Kamehameha in some media. Plus, everybody else believes him in the story.
Honestly, I don't know if guides and video games are legitimate sources but it's always good to know!
Could the name of the attack mean that he uses his Kameha to blow up the sun? If so, the sun explosion is solar system level, but not the power of Cell's direct attacks.
 
Well yes but unfortunately when everything ever doubles down and confirms Cell's statement as factual, it's no longer just "funny man has an ego", it's "he said a thing and everything ever reconfirms it".

Also Ki control unironically a thing.
Destroying the solar system does not mean that Kameha will spread in all directions and destroy everything
 
If so, the sun explosion is solar system level, but not the power of Cell's direct attacks.
If he blew up the sun with enough force to cause it to take out the solar system, that's still on him.
Also that isn't what they said, they said "this attack has enough power to destroy the solar system" not "this attack is able to destroy the sun which would then cause a chain reaction and engulf the solar system".
 
Destroying the solar system means destroying the solar system mate. That's why it's solar system level.
Destroying the solar system with its own striking power or by blowing up the sun changes absolutely everything
If the destruction of the solar system is done by destroying the sun then we know that the character does not have such power in his own attacks, which changes the scaling for the more powerful characters

To say that a character who destroys the solar system by destroying the sun has a similar destructive force to a character who can destroy a solar system with his own attacks is wrong
 
Destroying the solar system does not mean that Kameha will spread in all directions and destroy everything
The Flash has never destroyed a Solar System with a punch. Does that mean he's not Solar System level? Spider-Man never destroyed a large building in a single strike. Does that mean he's not Large Building level? Boros from OPM never destroyed multiple continents with his Collapsing Star Roar Cannon. Does that mean he's not Multi-Continental with that attack?

The answer to all of these is a resounding no. Statements and scaling also help with tiering characters and gauging their power. There are several official statements that confirm Super Perfect Cell is 4-B, and there's even a calc for how it appeared as though he would destroy the solar system. The results were 4-B, a decent way into 4-B iirc.

Also, if Toriyama or Toyotaro went out of their way to showcase visually every single feat that can destroy a planet, solar system, universe, then there wouldn't be a story. Eventually all the main cast (including Dende, which means no Dragon Balls to bring them back) would be dead with absolutely no way to progress the plot.
 
If he blew up the sun with enough force to cause it to take out the solar system, that's still on him.
Also that isn't what they said, they said "this attack has enough power to destroy the solar system" not "this attack is able to destroy the sun which would then cause a chain reaction and engulf the solar system".

I didn't know that an AP solar system was needed to destroy the solar system by blowing up the sun but ok
The destruction of the sun can be part of the attack
 
The Flash has never destroyed a Solar System with a punch. Does that mean he's not Solar System level? Spider-Man never destroyed a large building in a single strike. Does that mean he's not Large Building level? Boros from OPM never destroyed multiple continents with his Collapsing Star Roar Cannon. Does that mean he's not Multi-Continental with that attack?

The answer to all of these is a resounding no. Statements and scaling also help with tiering characters and gauging their power. There are several official statements that confirm Super Perfect Cell is 4-B, and there's even a calc for how it appeared as though he would destroy the solar system. The results were 4-B, a decent way into 4-B iirc.

Also, if Toriyama or Toyotaro went out of their way to showcase visually every single feat that can destroy a planet, solar system, universe, then there wouldn't be a story. Eventually all the main cast (including Dende, which means no Dragon Balls to bring them back) would be dead with absolutely no way to progress the plot.

I don't know anything about Flash and Spiderman so I can't say anything about them

But I agree with what you say, the statements are important and scenaristically some feats can't be shown, what bothers me with Cell's statement are the feats of the Buu arc but that's just my opinion
 
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