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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 44

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Super Saiyan God is on the level of regular Super Saiyan, with its own advantadges and disadvantadges.

This will make Base Goku 3-B.
 
Okay but I just have a question, Saiyan Beyond God is it in the anime? In case would be 3-A Regular SS / Base Form
 
If i remember the Beyond God thing was mentioned and considered only for the movie.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
Super Saiyan God is on the level of regular Super Saiyan, with its own advantadges and disadvantadges.
This will make Base Goku 3-B.
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This has been retconned. Unless you consider C18 and others 3B.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
I think you are just failing at scaling.
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I thnink you fail at scaling. Nowhere but here is this everyone is 3A. Pretty ridiculous if you ask me.

If Base Goku was 3B Super Sayain forms wouldn't be needed. Toei retconned Goku's Base. SSB is like SSJ with God Ki.
 
"If Base Goku was 3B Super Sayain forms wouldn't be needed. Toei retconned Goku's Base. SSB is like SSJ with God Ki."

....What? If Base Goku was 3-B, how does that effect the need for SSJ forms? They have not retconned anything. Everything will continue as plan. Really getting sick of going through the same stuff with you over and over again.
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
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Matthew Schroeder said:
I think you are just failing at scaling.
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I thnink you fail at scaling. Nowhere but here is this everyone is 3A. Pretty ridiculous if you ask me.
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Are we really the only ones who do this?Are we really?
You should research all other sites before you single us out with that claim.

Please and thank you.
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Well just another one site. Yes they have retconned it. Stronger Base stronger the other forms get unless the Base is Sayain Beyond God.

Examples:

Please and thank you too.
 
You do realize the previous thread was closed due to scalling discussions that are not to happen until the end of this arc, right?
 
I'm still sticking with Base Goku being 3-A, since he dispersed Beerus's expanded sphere of destruction in base, even though he was struggling with it in SSJ, which Beerus said = SSG. Cabba fought on par with base Vegeta and could take and give blows from SSJ Vegeta (obviously holding back), plus he could also survive against LSSJ Kale.

That and Goku was able to spar against Beerus in base, and being currently superior to Black who was comparable, if not outright stronger than SSB Vegeta in base on their first encounter.

I don't think any transformation is high enough to make a significant jump from 3-B (If Goku was 3-B) to 3-A unless we use the god forms.
 
It would be better to discuss it in a suitable thread in some time otherwise it might end up like the last...
 
Unite My Rice said:
I'm still sticking with Base Goku being 3-A, since he dispersed Beerus's expanded sphere of destruction in base, even though he was struggling with it in SSJ, which Beerus said = SSG. Cabba fought on par with base Vegeta and could take and give blows from SSJ Vegeta (obviously holding back), plus he could also survive against LSSJ Kale.
That and Goku was able to spar against Beerus in base, and being currently superior to Black who was comparable, if not outright stronger than SSB Vegeta in base on their first encounter.
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Black is another story. That was back in the BOG Arc. They have retconned it. Explain the other fights with SSJ then and Base Goku's ToP showings.
 
"Well just another one site" Enough to disprove your accusation.

"Yes they have retconned it." Those examples do not show anything about retcons. Just that they wanted to use SSJ in that scene. You seem to think authors follow our tiers or something...

1) Yes.

2) Possibly

3) PIS and outliers exist.

4) Gohan is 3-A.

5) Black is 3-A

6) Trunks is 3-A

7) Rivals Gods =/= Equal to Gods.

Nothing you've given has disproved anything. Nothing at all.

You are welcome.
 
@Unite The reasoning in the closing of the last one re-states the obvious: Discussing this kind of thing now will only derail this thread much like what happened in the other one. At its core, it's the same discussion. I thought all the staff had agreed to leave this for after the arc is concluded (there are literally blogs by staff members in regards to "Things to discuss once the arc is concluded" where they are making a collection of the feats and other scalling related issues). Going over this now is senseless.
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
"Well just another one site"

Enough to disprove your accusation.

"Yes they have retconned it."


Those examples do not show anything about retcons. Just that they wanted to use SSJ in that scene. You seem to think authors follow our tiers or something...

1) Yes.

2) Possibly

3) PIS and outliers exist.

4) Gohan is 3-A.

5) Black is 3-A

6) Trunks is 3-A

7) Rivals Gods =/= Equal to Gods.

Nothing you've given has disproved anything. Nothing at all.

You are welcome.
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3) Not everything can be PIS though...

4)Gohan is not 3A back then! Piccolo said that he didn't even had his old power! So no.

5)Black here has not mastered Goku's power. Not 3A.

6)Trunks here has not SS Rage so not 3A again. And that's before he spars with Vegeta and train. Unless Future Dabura is 3A too...

7)That's the point budy. If Goku had God Ki in base then they would have felt it. He doesn't use it. The Pressure means God Ki.

You are welcome too.
 
PLs relax and behave everyone. Preferably move to a CRT thread or a question and answer board preferably instead of arguing here.
 
I mean at this point, generally featless characters performing incredible feats in the show are bound to get talked about in regards for their power, which you can't really discuss unless you bring up the past. The scaling just seems to be wacky. I would've preferred if they stuck to power levels and just expanded on that instead of all of us going on a wild goose chase.
 
Grudgeman1706 said:
PLs relax and behave everyone. Preferably move to a CRT thread or a question and answer board preferably instead of arguing here.
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Should you wait until the end of the tournament to approach about? It would be more judicious to treat the events of the tournament at the end and the subjects like this as fast as possible, it would be preferable but it is only my opinion
 
3) No one said everything will be PIS. Not once.

4) Read that point wrong. PIS.

5) Not mastered Goku's power =/= Not 3-B. It's a wide tier.

6) It's called bad writing. Has no effect on scaling.

7) You don't need God Ki to be 3-A. I thought the likes of Hit and Toppo long proved that.

Thank you sir.

Also stop quoting large blocks of text.
 
DodoNova2 said:
STOOOOP
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Ok. All in all Scaling is not that simple and the past showings and current QUESTIONABLE showings should be considered.

@Dragon Again disagree. Not everything can be called PIS or bad writing. It affects the scaling.

Another matter. Jiren vs Goku will be in the double episode and there is a rumor that the new form will debut 24/9.
 
Are you incapable of understanding that Super Saiyan merely increases your Base Power rather than giving you a set power? Cabba didn't even have SSJ1 and could tear apart Buu Saga Super Saiyan Vegito if he wanted.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
Are you incapable of understanding that Super Saiyan merely increases your Base Power rather than giving you a set power? Cabba didn't even have SSJ1 and could tear apart Buu Saga Super Saiyan Vegito if he wanted.
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No... Super Sayain Multiplier is x50 which stronger than Kaioken x20 that made Goku to go toe to toe with Final Form Freaza in Namek for some time.

Again the point is if the Base was that strong then it wouldn't be needed, little or big boost.
 
Multipliers are not that important to consider since they were relevant in only two arcs and then never mentioned again in the series.
 
I honestly don't see why everyone is overreacting.

Just talk about something else. :^)
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
Are you incapable of understanding that Super Saiyan merely increases your Base Power rather than giving you a set power? Cabba didn't even have SSJ1 and could tear apart Buu Saga Super Saiyan Vegito if he wanted.
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Base Cabba>Super vegito????

Nick-young-confused-face-300x256 nqlyaa
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
... No.
Super Saiyan will ALWAYS increase your base, regardless if the Saiyan is 8-B or 3-A.
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Correct so Goku going SSJ against opponents who aren't evn at his base power like Gohan (Pre Training), Basil, Lavender, Present Zamasu etc makes 3A tier of his base questionable.
 
@Grudge

By that point in time. Yes he can. This is not talking about Goku Black Arc Vegito either.
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
@Grudge

By that point in time. Yes he can. This is not talking about Goku Black Arc Vegito either.
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If really like to hear what you have to say about this pls. I know it isn't.
 
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