Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

[Eden_Warlock99]

Guns do be actin like dura neg when used against humans lol

 

[Nullflowerblush]

was practically pissing himself pulling a few busses on a chain

Anime-only.

In-universe, Goku had only achieved superhuman strength after eight months of training under Master Roshi. Hell, the Daizenshuu 7 and DRAGON BALL FOREVER consider Goku as only twice as strong as a normal human.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Anime-only.

In-universe, Goku had only achieved superhuman strength after eight months of training under Master Roshi. Hell, the Daizenshuu 7 and DRAGON BALL FOREVER consider Goku as only twice as strong as a normal human.

In fact, if I recall correctly, Roshi was only confident that he and Krillin could participate in the 21st after training.

 

[Emerald]

Seems like a huge stretch for sure.

Besides, we don't know why the Ultra Divine Water would have killed Goku, the claim that it's a strong poison is literally an assumption that was never suggested as far as I recall, besides Yajirobe saying it because he tasted it on his finger and was hurt by it. Iirc there was only some flowery nonsense about purity and honor or whatever. Goku's poison resistance should be a "possibly" or "likely" tbh.

It would've killed him it's cause it's poison. It has killed people before (around 15 master martial artists) and the Daizenshu also stated that the Chōshinsui can kill you if you don't have enough mental and physical strength

 

[Vizer04]

The most you can give Satan is 9-B, possibly 8-C+. He is possibly stronger than beginning Goku but he's definitely not on the same level as after Roshi's training nor the other fighters in the 21° Budokai who are superhuman.

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

I hate it when people try to use axioms and results from math but discard it as soon as it becomes inconvenient. This is a recipe for disaster and now I’m not surprised that Tier 1 and 2 are the most f’ed up tiers on the site

Took the words right out of my mouth. I haven’t been active [or even lurked] on this site for as long as everyone else has, nor am I someone who generally thinks “dimensional tiering standards are too strict” (hence why I hate CSAP wiki’s system), but wow, the staff thread just goes to show how much of an unsalvageable mess tier 1 is.

Qawsedf thinks an infinite space containing a multiverse is only Low 1-C if space-time is described as explicitly infinitesimal, Ultima thinks such a space being infinite is enough for Low 1-C in and of itself… and DontTalkDT thinks such a space is pretty much never inherently Low 1-C, regardless of if it’s infinite, or the multiverse is infinite, or space-time is portrayed as visually insignificant…?

I don’t even know what constitutes proof of Low 1-C at this point . When exactly are “higher planes of existence beyond space-time” Low 1-C as opposed to above baseline 2-A? Why are some “infinite hyperspace’s outside time that encompass a multiverse” Low 1-C? At what point is a construct “outside time” to a degree significant enough to warrant an inaccessible gap? Man, my head is hurting…

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

The most you can give Satan is 9-B, possibly 8-C+. He is possibly stronger than beginning Goku but he's definitely not on the same level as after Roshi's training nor the other fighters in the 21° Budokai who are superhuman.

Think just 8-C should be enough, with normal human scaling and all that

 

[Vizer04]

Think just 8-C should be enough, with normal human scaling and all that

You're right, i thought beginning Goku was 8-C+

 

[MeiouHades]

I don’t even know what constitutes proof of Low 1-C at this point .

I do. The answer is very simple. It’s when a staff member(s) likes that franchise.

When exactly are “higher planes of existence beyond space-time” Low 1-C as opposed to above baseline 2-A?

As I said above, when a staff member likes a certain franchise. That’s when it is Low 1-C

And if any staff member thinks I’m being unnecessary cynical I’ll be happy to debate this.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

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[Emerald]

Weird crackpot moment that I just had
Considering you need tremendous physical strength, mental fortitude and stamina/vitality to survive the Chōshinsui, with mental fortitude [shōki] and stamina/vitality [genki] being core aspects of Ki and how to become stronger, can we grant anyone that has higher Ki than Kid Goku Resistance to Poison through sheer willpower?

Either way. What y'all think of this?
This can affect a bunch of different characters

 

[MeiouHades]

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Don’t

 

[Omegabronic]

The most you can give Satan is 9-B, possibly 8-C+. He is possibly stronger than beginning Goku but he's definitely not on the same level as after Roshi's training nor the other fighters in the 21° Budokai who are superhuman.

well, he is still said to be the strongest martial artist among the normal human folk, so he should be superior to the likes of Nam and King Chappa

 

[Vizer04]

You know what, i'm fine with upgrading Satan. I just want to make a Kid Goku vs Satan match and see how it goes.

 

[Vizer04]

Actually, this upgrade would affect Videl as well since she's stronger than her father.

 

[AwkguyDB]

Either way. What y'all think of this?
This can affect a bunch of different characters

I think this is pretty solid

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Either way. What y'all think of this?
This can affect a bunch of different characters

Just like you can have equal Ki to somebody else and greater speed or durability, you can have greater Ki but lesser willpower.

Like, Yajirobe.

 

[Vizer04]

In-universe, Goku had only achieved superhuman strength after eight months of training under Master Roshi.

According to the manga, Roshi's disciples reached the "superhuman level" during the 3 years leading up to the 22° Budōkai.

 

[MeiouHades]

You people are still discussing this Tier 8 stuff? What is this, Naruto discussion?

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

Bruv basically saying **** early DB discussion.

 

[MeiouHades]

Bruv basically saying ***** early DB discussion.

yep

 

[Fezzih_007]

You people are still discussing this Tier 8 stuff? What is this, Naruto discussion?

I mean, i don't think theres other stuff to discuss.

 

[RedReaper616]

Question

Would Baba not being able to use her Future Seeing Powers on the Saiyans for the Saiyan Invasion grant Precog Resistance to Vegeta and Nappa? Or do we attribute this to another factor?

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

Question, if we treat pl scaling as ok to use, then wouldn't we know the gap between First form Frieza and Second form Frieza?

Since Namek Goku had a PL (power level) of 90k and said while recovering he would've been of help against Second Form Frieza with Kaioken x10 (which would give him a PL of 900k), then if we use pl's for his Kaioken amps, we can tell the gap between second and first form.

Goku would have a power level slightly higher than First form Frieza with Kaioken x6 (540k compared to Frieza's 530k) which would equal to Frieza's 4.89 Quettatons, base form would be 0.815 Quettatons and Kaioken x10 would be 8.15 Quettatons (which Second form would scale higher than). So second form would be a little less than 2x stronger than first form. Yeah Goku hasn't shown Kaioken x6, but if he can use Kaioken x10, then x6 should be easy for him to use. Technically Goku with a Kaioken x11 (990k) would still be slightly weaker than second form Frieza, but I won't go there since Goku still wouldn't be able to use anything higher than x10 at this time (the possibility is still there though).

Does this seem right or nah?

Still would like everyones thoughts on this.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Have you ever thought about whether it's Demigra who's going to turn Goku and Shin into children?

Guys, now there would be no way to deny that DBH is part of the DB multiverse, I would love to see the chaos that would cause here

 

[MeiouHades]

Have you ever thought about whether it's Demigra who's going to turn Goku and Shin into children?

Guys, now there would be no way to deny that DBH is part of the DB multiverse, I would love to see the chaos that would cause here

Demigra will get downgraded to 2-C instead

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Demigra will get downgraded to 2-C instead

I don't believe they would have the courage

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Akira Toriyama posted something about DBGT


Is it a remake??? This year promises

 

[MeiouHades]

I don't believe they would have the courage

This is VSB. Changes here aren’t made through courage or even reasoning, they’re made through bureaucracy and, if you’re planning upgrades, how much either moderators like that verse. I can still only think of some impolite words whenever I see Matthew Schroeder

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Dragon Ball is firm and strong

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

This is VSB. Changes here aren’t made through courage or even reasoning, they’re made through bureaucracy and, if you’re planning upgrades, how much either moderators like that verse. I can still only think of some impolite words whenever I see Matthew Schroeder

It's a shame our favorite multiverse is so popular and generates so much chaos

 

[Fezzih_007]

This is VSB. Changes here aren’t made through courage or even reasoning, they’re made through bureaucracy and, if you’re planning upgrades, how much either moderators like that verse. I can still only think of some impolite words whenever I see Matthew Schroeder

Wow, that's a bold claim.

Is a good thing mods don't ban people for saying this. Do one example of that being true trought? Like, when the CRT reasoning is solid, but It got rejected because the mods don't like the verse?

 

[MeiouHades]

Wow, that's a bold claim.

Its not. Anyone who hasn’t been asleep knows it

Is a good thing mods don't ban people for saying this.

Yes how nice of them to possess the most basic shred of diplomacy. Maybe we should be grateful

Do one example of that being true trought? Like, when the CRT reasoning is solid, but It got rejected because the mods don't like the verse?

Moon level Roshi. Took years and years, and now even that got partially downgraded because apparently characters having 5-C physical strikes is somehow wrong

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

It's just a charisma issue, that's why we gotta invest more skill points into it

 

[Fezzih_007]

Its not. Anyone who hasn’t been asleep knows it

I could argue you wrong in one thing, but is kinda pointless.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

This is VSB. Changes here aren’t made through courage or even reasoning

They are, you just don't have enough of it, ya bitch.

 

[Cass5373]

Question

Would Baba not being able to use her Future Seeing Powers on the Saiyans for the Saiyan Invasion grant Precog Resistance to Vegeta and Nappa? Or do we attribute this to another factor?

It sounds very interesting

 

[MeiouHades]

They are, you just don't have enough of it, ya bitch.

Null, your reasoning skills are represented well by the first four letters of your username, you shouldn’t be talking.

 

[Planck69]

Eh, skill issue. Danny Phantom is 2-A, as is My Little Pony. DMC, GoW and Bayonette are Low 1-C.

I won't say there's zero staff bias but 90% of the time, it's just ones ability to cook.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Eh, skill issue. Danny Phantom is 2-A, as is My Little Pony. DMC, GoW and Bayonette are Low 1-C.

I won't say there's zero staff bias but 90% of the time, it's just ones ability to cook.

Seems to make sense