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I just hope someday this can be removed, or at least expand the limit....
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Dragon Ball - Quick Revision
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You are synonymously trying to place ROSAT along the lines of realmns like Demon World and Afterlife. The problem is that those worlds share the same space-time as that of universe 7 macrocosm as shown in the Map. You cannot use syllogism for worlds having same space-time and worlds have different space-time.
ROSAT is stated to be separate dimension, just like afterlife and demon world ,evidence is needed for it to be considered a part of macrocosm.
Black Frieza explicity mentioned that Perhaps being in a different dimension where time flows differently ,he wasn't considered part of the universe
Regarding using the Super Manga as evidence is based on simple fact ,its a direct continuation of Z. New information pertaining to already established vague things subject to change the older things.
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I don't think @Nullflowerblush Disagree with the thread but he just trying to provide a reason for Timeline to be 2-C, which they're because separate universes, so i don't think we need to weight on it. This thread is only about ROSAT, no heaven or hell.
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Yeah this evidence seems really straightforward. I agree with the OP.
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So now what exactly you guys trying to argue?, ROSAT being outside of what universe. Because there is two meanings when it come to the word universe in Dragon Ball, one is refering to the Living Universe with planets, stars and things, etc......; other refering to the entire Macrocosm which includes Living Universe, Otherworld/Afterlife, Demon Realm, etc.....
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It's not inside universe with any possible reason or sense regardless the term "universe" standing for whatever, because of it being outside universe, it needs evidence to suggest it is inside universe.
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Entire Macrocosm.
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Vietthai96
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I said it already there is two meanings when it come to the word universes, either the Living Universe.
So what proof for it??, because other dimension mean manything
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Read what said. Regardless the "term" "universe" standing for whatever.
It is outside universe stated is the proof with no evidence for it to be inside universe in any sense or realm it's referring to.
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Universal Range dragon ball wishes covers the entire macrocosm.(Granolah's Wish possibly covering the entire Macrocosm)."So perhaps i wasn't being counted as part of this universe". Contextually here the term universe refers to the entire Macrocosm. Official media never differentiated between the term Universe and Macrocosm. Whenever they differentiated they used the term Living universe.
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Bro no, you flipped the burden of proof, right now, all evidences even visual suggested ROSAT at least inside the Macrocosm.
1. So Frieza is guessing, can it count as reliable??
2. What is the proof that ROSAT also includes in Frieza comment??, he talked about other dimension doesn't somehow mean ROSAT somehow get grouped into the statement
3. Assume he talking about ROSAT or a place similar, ROSAT is said to be a shut-in dimension, how are you sure that a Shenron who formed from 2 balls can cover, because from what i saw, if that Sheron can cover the entire Macrocosm, then Granolah and the guy i forgot his name should be stronger than Whis and Beerus, but not
Anyway, i'm disagree with this thread, however, if this get accepted, then well, DBS Anime downgrade is in order
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I don't think this would downgrade it, because if anything its an indicator that entirely different universes are indeed considered different dimensions, as that was the requirement for the RoSaT to not be part of the universe and out of range of the wish.
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The guess is correct. He was still stronger than Gas despite the wish covering the entirety of universe 7.
Vegeta follows up saying "A Room of spirit and Time".so yeah its accounted.
He explicity stated to be strongest in the universe excluding the Gods. ,implying it to have the range to reach Kaioshin Realmn as well as Beerus's planet. Also that 2 ball dragon Toronbo is somehow better in comparison to Earth's Shenron.
but i'll add up.
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I also disagree
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Kaioshin Realm how? and beerus’s Planet I agree since it’s just in the living universeThe guess is correct. He was still stronger than Gas despite the wish covering the entirety of universe 7.
Vegeta follows up saying "A Room of spirit and Time".so yeah its accounted.
He explicity stated to be strongest in the universe excluding the Gods. ,implying it to have the range to reach Kaioshin Realmn as well as Beerus's planet. Also that 2 ball dragon Toronbo is somehow better in comparison to Earth's Shenron.
This is no reason to disagree
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Dragonball wish covers the entire macrocosm that's how it can bring ppl back to life and other things. For the wish, it's granted over everyone but gods that includes dead ppls, and the "term universe" has been used for "universe 7" in the entire super saga ever since 12 universes has been introduced.
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Kais are also considered Gods.
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I know but that doesn’t mean it’s implying it reaches them as well Goku and Beerus are way stronger than any Kai and gods was referring to the angels and g.o.d.s
bringing people back from the dead is different from wishing to be the strongest in the universe and the term universe can be used to refer to the macrocosm or living universe im pretty sure Shin also calls the demon realm the “Demon Universe“ or another dimension as well
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Nothing changes about range.
In the Z, not in the super ever since 12 universes has been introduced and for the ROSAT, it has no evidence for to be considered in the Universe in any form or manner.
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How is wishing people back from the dead a range thing?
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Ability of the wish to reach other dimensions is range.
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As this granting wish ranges over to heavens? Simple.
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they just got revived and their body was in a capsule
they just got revived and their body was in a capsule
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People claiming Frieza refers to only Living Universe and not the Entirety of Universe 7 is headcanon.
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Especially when the statement is after 12 universes has been introduced when show no longer refer just “Living universe” as universe but entirety of “universe 7”
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This topic needs a new thread. Preferably Staff Discussion.
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2 staff agreed @Maverick_Zero_X and you. And so far almost each supporter of the verse agrees that ROSAT inside universe is headcanon and contradicted at that, so needed to be removed.
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Well no, basically no evidence has been provided, neither any argument or implication for ROSAT to be inside universe. For the OP's summary:
- No evidence that ROSAT is inside universe, nor implication, nothing but just assumption. Aside from it, it has already been said to exist Outside of Dimension completely sealed off.
- In the latest chapter of dragon ball super, it is directly stated that ROSAT is outside the universe and the term "universe" has been referring to "Universe7" ever since 12 universes has been introduced.
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Room of Spirit and Time and other dimensions of similar nature where time flows differently are currently considered part of universe 7 without any solid evidence. Statements from the Dragon ball Super Manga contradicts this and makes it obvious that those dimensions are outside universe 7 ( the entire macrocosm). Daizenshuu 4 calls it a separate dimension.
So currently this thing from the verse's page needs to be removed.
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