Dragon Ball GT character speeds?

[Antvasima]

I noticed that it seems like Schutzendunkelziel only upgraded the regular DBZ character speeds before he left.

I would appreciate some help with rational evaluations about how we should rescale the DBGT characters from them?

Informed suggestions are appreciated. Opinions without rational analysis are not.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Dragon_Ball_GT

 

[Aimenaltair]

Yeah Goku ssj4, Vegeta ssj4 omega shenron and gogeta should be MFTL since it's confirmed that Vegito=SSJ4 Goku.

 

[LordAizenSama]

^Where was that confirmed? If you mean the DB GT guidebook i believe that was by a "non canon" source

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

At the very least they should mostly be ftl+ since they have characters stronger than ssj goku on namek

 

[Aimenaltair]

^Where was that confirmed? If you mean the DB GT guidebook i believe that was by a "non canon" source

If DBGT can't be scaled from guidebooks then MFTL for Omega shenron and Gogeta only.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

All the top and high tiers should be at least ftl+,possibly mftl in combat speed because they are stronger than buu saga ssj3 goku.

 

[LordAizenSama]

well GT Base Goku is roughly SSJ3 Goku from the Buu saga based on his fight with General Rildo, who he said was on par with buu.

so you could maybe work off that?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

well GT Base Goku is roughly SSJ3 Goku from the Buu saga based on his fight with General Rildo, who he said was on par with buu.
so you could maybe work off that?

Speaking of that if his base is equal to buu saga ssj3 goku why is he only solar system level?

 

[Antvasima]

Well, the Solar System level is extremely wide, but regardless, this topic is only about the speed levels of the characters. That is it.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Well, the Solar System level is extremely wide, but regardless, this topic is only about the speed levels of the characters. That is it.

Ok as i said already they should all be at ftl+ with possibly mftl in combat speed as for gogeta i think he should definetively be mftl.

 

[SomebodyData]

Hmm all of them should be ftl+, with the possible mftl. Hmmm but it does get more complicated with the ssj4s and omega shenron, as they should be leagues above the rest in speed

 

[Antvasima]

Hmm. Let's wait to see what the rest of the staff thinks.

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

actually, i think goku ssj3 (gt) onwards should be mftl+ : as in bebu, super 17, nuova and syn for sure, along with gogeta, ssj4 vegeta as well

 

[NovaReaper]

^reasons?

 

[SomebodyData]

^reasons?

his base is equal to ssj3 z soooo yeah add the multipliers (for ssj speed its 40x appearently) and done

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

goku ssj3 buu saga is currently rated to be at least ftl+ to mftl


base gt goku is at that same level, and we all know how power and speed progressions work

even going by conservative standards, we will end up with mftl+ levels by the time we get to bebi


normal characters like pan on the other hand shud be more like ftl+

 

[Pocket-Chu]

Yeah I agree with TLT.

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

goku ssj3 buu saga is currently rated to be at least ftl+ to mftl

base gt goku is at that same level, and we all know how power and speed progressions work

even going by conservative standards, we will end up with mftl+ levels by the time we get to bebi


normal characters like pan on the other hand shud be more like ftl+

this makes sense

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

I thought only kaio ken multiplier was valid? Since when we accepted SSJ multiplier?

 

[SomebodyData]

I thought only kaio ken multiplier was valid? Since when we accepted SSJ multiplier?

we dont, but the minimum amount needed for ssj goku's speed was 40x for beinga able to fight frieza

 

[Antvasima]

Hmm. I will be busy with the daily backlog for a while. Can somebody politely ask the other staff members (except DarkLK) to weigh in with input in this thread?

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

I will do so

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thanks. You can tell them that I asked for help.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Personally, it seems to me that most characters should be FTL+, with higher end characters being Massively FTL with the possibility of Massively FTL+.

I know it may seem I'm acting a bit conservative on the issue, but there are reasons. You can ask Lord Kavpeny about it, as well.

 

[Dekoshu]

All right.

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

done

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Oh this s*** right here.

Welp I'll just get to the point and say that they should be scaled accordingly just like how we did for DBZ. That and what TLT1 said earlier works for me here.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Personally, it seems to me that most characters should be FTL+, with higher end characters being Massively FTL with the possibility of Massively FTL+.
I know it may seem I'm acting a bit conservative on the issue, but there are reasons. You can ask Lord Kavpeny about it, as well.

These are pretty much my thoughts, with Massively FTL characters starting at the Shadow Dragons, and possibly Massively FTL+ only applying to Omega Shenron, power up SSJ4 Goku and SSJ4 Goku.

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

Oh this s*** right here.
Welp I'll just get to the point and say that they should be scaled accordingly just like how we did for DBZ. That and what TLT1 said earlier works for me here.

MFTL+ for bebi, syn, gogeta, ssj4 forms, iece, nuova, and super 17 then? (keep in mind this is not all that high, like only a few thousand x ftl for these guys, and maybe a few tens of time ftl at best for gogeta)

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

Personally, it seems to me that most characters should be FTL+, with higher end characters being Massively FTL with the possibility of Massively FTL+.
I know it may seem I'm acting a bit conservative on the issue, but there are reasons. You can ask Lord Kavpeny about it, as well.

These are pretty much my thoughts, with higher-end characters starting at the Shadow Dragons.

not all shadow dragons are that strong, the main ones that really gave goku trouble were iirc ice, nuova and syn, also what about powered up 17 and bebi?

 

[The_Everlasting]

I was generally referring to Shadow Dragon saga characters.

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

at least ftl+ to mftl is already a grouping for buu saga tiers as it is, i think bebi, by scaling should be at least mftl, possibly mftl+ (along with powered up super 17)

and as for the higher tier dragons, they could be placed as mftl+

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Yup, that's the one. @TLT1.

 

[Thebluedash]

I don't remember too much about GT (Can you blame me?), but what TLT1 is suggesting sounds reasonable imo.

 

[Dekoshu]

I need help on who to update the speed of the fighters to Massively Faster than Light, please, so I don't end up having my edits reverted. This isn't inappropriate sarcasm. This is sincere.

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

I need help on who to update the speed of the fighters to Massively Faster than Light, please, so I don't end up having my edits reverted. This isn't inappropriate sarcasm. This is sincere.

for which verse? this one?

that hasnt been decided yet

 

[Dekoshu]

The one with Super Saiyan 4?

 

[Antvasima]

Better to wait until Lord Kavpeny has come back sometime tomorrow I think. We also haven't hammered out the specifics of this yet.

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

well here is my proposal:

Pan = ftl+

Goku, vegeta ssj4 = MFTL+

Powered up super 17 = MFTL+

Bebi = MFTL

WIthout full power super 17 = MFTL

SYn, nuova, eis shenron = MFTL+

gogeta = MFTL+

Trunks, goten,= FTL+

gohan = high end ftl+

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Yeah, Kavpeny said he'll be inactive until tomorrow so we're pretty much on the drawing board here until then.