That Goku doesn't have a Power Level attached to his Kamehameha.
"You must've used all your Chi", this is the only reason Goku was able to beat Piccolo up.
I agree.
He does. This is V-Jump's PL for 23rd Budokai Goku according to Kanzenshuu.
Zenkai boosts aren't a set-in-stone boost and varies greatly so this is not a valid argument. There is no reason to believe Goku should be stronger than A FULL-POWER Oozaru Vegeta without using at least a 3x Kaioken. Let's also remember that Goku fought a much weaker Oozaru Vegeta that didn't have a 180,000 BP.
Oozaru Vegeta is comparable to Kaioken x2 Goku, so yes.
Okay. I concede that Piccolo tanked the Super Kamehameha, then. But Vegeta "tanked" the Kaio-ken x4 Kamehameha. He was beat up by Kaio-ken x3 Goku, though.
Or, he didn't?
That isn't "raising a Ki barrier", by the way, not a single character outside of Android 17, Cell, and Vegito possesses that unique ability in the original series. He was releasing his full power, as was Piccolo. And Piccolo Sr. before.
As if the Tournament Announcer is a reliable source of information.
If there are contradictions, why is the chart even accepted, then?
They probably don't know but if it's accepted on the wiki it stays that way until changed.
That's not an appeal to authority, that's literally just how the wiki works. Until a crt is made, it's accepted.
even though this is a thread about revising the scaling chain
Kami (220) is portrayed as weaker than Demon King Piccolo (260); he is is far stronger than Goku.
Your point? It's still accepted at this point. Feel free to debunk it though.
Vegeta was visibly hurt by KKx4 Kamehameha so not sure if that's comparable to this discussion. My point is, Goku beats Piccolo more due to a skill gap than a power gap.
It was you who said Goku tanked Piccolo's all out blast, I'm saying Goku didn't, fully. You do realize I'm just arguing that Goku isn't stronger than Piccolo by any significant mean that would affect scaling, as in, the gap between them is insignificant even if there is one.
You know what I meant, he used Ki defensively to absorb the shock, not an actual barrier technique, this is something any Ki user can do as cited in every DB profile.
His literal purpose in the story is exposition on a fight. We see Piccolo being mostly fine after the attack.
I don't know, it do be silly like that. It shouldn't be accepted, but I remember well Tien and Goku getting downgraded below Moon level arguing that base Roshi had a power level of 180 based on this chart, and saying they didn't really surpass Roshi even though the story literally says they did.
I did.
One thing.
This one is also accurate and repeated in Daizenshuu 7. Krillin's 206 BP is in a relaxed state, and it's been established they can control their power level.
Oh no that wasn't it. It was the fact that they surpassed unbuffed Roshi according to the opposition who reaches moon level with his full ki into a kamehameha.
This is kinda just argument from incredulity imo. There’s no real reason it shouldn’t be a solid rating when we know that Oozaru Vegeta and Ginyu Arc Kaioken Goku have the same power level of 180,000.
On that front, I agree, none of the Saiyan Saga characters should scale to Oozaru Vegeta… but base Vegeta would downscale to 1/10 of his Oozaru state, which would make him scale to 4.07570429732 Ronnatons, or Large Planet level.
I don't agree with scaling Vegeta to this.
that reasoning doesn't work since we already scale base vegeta to his galick gun, hence why he is planet level in base in the first place
Yeah, I know, that's one of the things i planned to propose removing at some point.
I believe Damage disregards this scaling because the 10-time gap is stated to be in power level only as opposed to a literal 10x jump in AP. As we know, power levels aren't linear. However Dragon Ball Forever stated the Oozaru is a 10x increase in power as well.
You'll have to debunk the fact Vegeta took the full blunt of the attack that could match him, which is impossible since that simply happened.
looks like it references battle power
This link doesn't work for me
This is not what I linked.
It doesn't, it has a clear distinction between both terms, as both "fighting power" and just "power" are used in the sentence.
Nevermind that, Goku was stated to have a greater power in Super Exciting Guide: Story Volume.
What? I said that the link you put there is not opening for me
What @Nullflowerblush quoted is not what I linked originally.
Bro said the same thing I did but he is getting praised.
Bro said the same thing I did but he is getting praised.
/j
Vegeta's interaction with that Kamehameha is a bit unusual in that while he did take the attack, he dodged out of the way of it after it had pushed him some distance. It's not something that really happens with other Kamehameha as far as I can recall; like he takes the attack, it but he also avoids taking the full energy of it head-on.
