Dracule Mihawk vs Kaidou

[Deceived3596]

Trash ass debating tactics

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Y'all keep mentioning this clash and ignore Lucci getting rocked by every other attack from Luffy as well as missing all of his hits on him.
I don't even hate the dude but come on if y'all are gonna try this hard to make him High 6-A don't do it based off one callback clash especially when we literally see Lucci unable to tag Luffy or take more than 2/3 attacks from him.
And science does not ******* matter to Oda when he's focused on the pure nostalgia of the clash.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Doctored screenshots. Get your goofy ahh outta here.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

I don't debate like you guys, I just speak truth... Not my fault I'm not evil

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Pay no mind to deceived and his doctored screenshots MoL.
He's clearly not mentally right /s

 

[Deceived3596]

Y'all keep mentioning this clash and ignore Lucci getting rocked by every other attack from Luffy as well as missing all of his hits on him.

You do understand that people who're physically relative to each other can damage and rock each other? have you ever been in a fight before or have watched combat sports?, Canelo Álvarez and GGG are physically relative to each other (can block each other's punches and take each other's punches) but both can rock one another because they're relative, one isn't superior to the other interms of physicals to the point they can't even damage them. This is just an misunderstanding on how physics work (again).

I don't even hate the dude but come on if y'all are gonna try this hard to make him High 6-A don't do it based off one callback clash especially when we literally see Lucci unable to tag Luffy or take more than 2/3 attacks from him.

It being a "call back clash" doesn't negate the feat.

And science does not ******* matter to Oda when he's focused on the pure nostalgia of the clash.

Science does matter, saying it doesn't isn't an argument.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Ok let me just speak some truths

You do understand that people who're physically relative to each other can damage and rock each other? have you ever been in a fight before or have watched combat sports?, Canelo Álvarez and GGG are physically relative to each other (can block each other's punches and take each other's punches) but both can rock one another.


It being a "call back clash" doesn't negate the feat.


Science does matter, saying it doesn't isn't an argument.

So then you agree whole cake island luffy is a god tier/yonko tier

 

[DaMonkeMan]

You do understand that people who're physically relative to each other can damage and rock each other? have you ever been in a fight before or have watched combat sports?, Canelo Álvarez and GGG are physically relative to each other (can block each other's punches and take each other's punches) but both can rock one another because they're relative, one isn't superior to the other interms of physicals to the point they can't even damage them. This is just an misunderstanding on how physics work (again).


It being a "call back clash" doesn't negate the feat.


Science does matter, saying it doesn't isn't an argument.

Hm. Quick question. Where do you have him on your tier list

 

[Deceived3596]

So then you agree whole cake island luffy is a god tier/yonko tier

If that version of Big Mom is considered a GT within OP, then yes, if she isn't, then no, simple.

Hm. Quick question. Where do you have him on your tier list

I don't have a tier list. But i know Gear 5 Luffy is a GT in the verse, and Lucci scales to him.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Throwing in my two cents

Lucci and Luffy clashing like that does make them relative, in fact, Luffy being capable of completely rocking Lucci is just a thing that happens IRL, MMA cage matches can end in just a few hits, but that doesn't mean those people are incomparable, contrary to popular belief knocking someone out like a light really ain't hard.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

If that version of Big Mom is considered a GT within OP, then yes, simple.

So people holding back doesn't exist for you?

 

[Deceived3596]

So people holding back doesn't exist for you?

It does, prove Luffy was holding back his punches against Lucci.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

It does, prove Luffy was holding back his punches against Lucci.

When did I ever talk about Lucci?

I'm talking about clashes and how they aren't just what you say they are

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Ok let me just speak some truths

So then you agree whole cake island luffy is a god tier/yonko tier

Pop off

If that version of Big Mom is considered a GT within OP, then yes, if she isn't, then no, simple.


I don't have a tier list. But i know Gear 5 Luffy is a GT in the verse, and Lucci scales to him.

What "version"
You act like she got magically stronger after WCI.

It does, prove Luffy was holding back his punches against Lucci.

Wasn't buffing his muscles, turning into a giant, or jump roping Lucci like he did with Kaidou.
Didn't use Advanced Haki.
Probably didn't even use Observation.

 

[Deceived3596]

When did I ever talk about Lucci?

I'm talking about clashes and how they aren't just what you say they are

This entire conversation is contextually around Lucci's clash with Luffy, i don't care about other examples, i'm not saying clashing within itself proves someone's relative to another's fullpower, i'm saying clashing with someone proves you're relative against the power they're currently releasing, learn what entailments are Monkey before making misunderstood arguments.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

This entire conversation is contextually around Lucci's clash with Luffy, i don't care about other examples, i'm not saying clashing within itself proves someone's relative to another's fullpower, i'm saying clashing with someone proves you're relative against the power they're currently releasing, learn what entailments are Monkey before making misunderstood arguments.

Nah... There's nothing misunderstood... It's Just you being wrong

You don't understand how Kinetic Energy operates nor Newton's third law of motion, if you're able to momentarily stop the movement of an object you're innately matching or overcoming the Kinetic Energy generated by said object. Lucci did this by clashing with Luffy's punch with his own punch, meaning he scales via physics itself.

Just because you constantly show your ignorance on the how physics work doesn't mean it's wank dude.

You completely ignored any chances of clashes not scaling because of character's holding back

Which is why I said bs debate tactics

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Ok... Now truth is out

Let's try not to derail more

 

[DaReaperMan]

Shit like this is why I make OP matches FR FR

 

[DaMonkeMan]

MoL laid pipe
Deceived is probably flabbergasted rn but I don't blame him ngl.

 

[Deceived3596]

I can see why people don't like talking to the both of you.

Actual zero creases.

 

[Eminiteable]

If that version of Big Mom is considered a GT within OP, then yes, if she isn't, then no, simple.

She's above the version of herself that two-shot Queen, but that wasn't a clash she blocked his punch.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

I can see why people don't like talking to the both of you.

Actual zero creases.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

I can see why people don't like talking to the both of you.

Actual zero creases.

I'm busy with another thread, MoL may you kindly yet quickly escort this clueless hooligan to the door?

 

[Darkvie123]

No...

Headcanon...

Not Headcannon at all. Mihawk got statements being above Shanks the same Shanks is stated equal to Old Whitebeard and That WB had the title of the strongest pirates and seems like Kaido obtained the title of “Strongest Creature ALIVE” after WB died. So im going by this ye

 

[Darkvie123]

KT unironically called Lucci a god tier do not listen to that man's takes bro.
Edit: the take

At least his takes make sense with reasoning and proof

 

[DaMonkeMan]

At least his takes make sense with reasoning and proof

No way you said that

 

[Darkvie123]

No way you said that

he hasn’t been proven wrong from what i have seen until now (maybe he has been and i didnt know) but i will take his word and scaling even tho i got my own scaling chain (MIHAWK TOP 1 frfr) but ye we all got different takes (logical st least not like placing “Kaku > Luffy” for example or Katakuri > King” you know what i mean

 

[DaMonkeMan]

he hasn’t been proven wrong from what i have seen until now (maybe he has been and i didnt know) but i will take his word and scaling even tho i got my own scaling chain (MIHAWK TOP 1 frfr) but ye we all got different takes (logical st least not like placing “Kaku > Luffy” for example or Katakuri > King” you know what i mean

I kind of take back what I said about his takes being terrible but that Lucci one was definitely bad lol.

 

[Darkvie123]

I kind of take back what I said about his takes being terrible but that Lucci one was definitely bad lol.

personally i definitely dont think Lucci scales completely to G5 Luffy but hes relative to G5 Luffy with Buso while using Buso. Even tho downscales

 

[DaMonkeMan]

My main problem is people saying " he used G5 thus he was going all out " which makes no sense because him just using the transformation doesn't mean he's going all out, he didn't even use any of the powers that the form has ( i.e turning into a giant, bulking his arms, etc. ), he was basically in base form during that fight.

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

Mihawk doesnt scale to anything outside of statements so I’m going with Kaido

 

[DaMonkeMan]

I don't really like matches where one of the opponents have almost no feats so I'm not gonna vote.

 

[Darkvie123]

same here. Better keep this match for the future and not make Mihawk lose just bc Kaido got more feats and more screentime

 

[KochengPutih]

Then uh, I'm guessing I gotta get that Big Mom match removed?

Fo Big Mom match, BigMom still sword user after all. She can considered to be swordsman and Mihawk statement get him over her

Kaido isnt swordsman and had statement to be strongest creature so that make him >> Big Mom and Mihawk

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Fo Big Mom match, BigMom still sword user after all. She can considered to be swordsman and Mihawk statement get him over her

Kaido isnt swordsman and had statement to be strongest creature so that make him >> Big Mom and Mihawk

I'm still wondering why Mihawk never fought Big Mom, at least to our knowledge.
He fought people like Vista so Big Mom shouldn't be out of his jurisdiction.
Unless he thinks people who use Devil Fruits to make swords aren't worthy?

 

[KochengPutih]

I'm still wondering why Mihawk never fought Big Mom, at least to our knowledge.
He fought people like Vista so Big Mom shouldn't be out of his jurisdiction.
Unless he thinks people who use Devil Fruits to make swords aren't worthy?

IMO,
First, he was fight Vista because Vista want to fight, not Mihawk want it. Mihawk want to fight swordsman as strong as Shanks
Second, Big Mom till now not confirmed to out from her territory since Roger robbed her poneglyph. Mihawk not stupid enough to solo a group pirate like Big Mom Pirate

My opinion

 

[SnookB]

I'm not voting for Mihawk until he gets more feats. Kaido's far more versatile, greater amps in the scaling chain, speed amps, and ACoC Bump.
Mihawk comes short outside of just generally scaling via statements. I'm not giving him the benefit of the doubt based off hype alone.

 

[KochengPutih]

So we should closed this thread or not?
Seemingly need lot of time for Mihawk to create a new a single feat
Months, if not years

 

[Darkvie123]

So we should closed this thread or not?
Seemingly need lot of time for Mihawk to create a new a single feat
Months, if not years

I suggest to not make vs battles inverse for Shanks and Mihawk since they are the only God Tiers who haven’t performed their true power yet and are scaled based of statements and hype only. This is the reason Roger vs Mihawk was closed in an another thread anyways

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Not Headcannon at all. Mihawk got statements being above Shanks the same Shanks is stated equal to Old Whitebeard and That WB had the title of the strongest pirates and seems like Kaido obtained the title of “Strongest Creature ALIVE” after WB died. So im going by this ye

Again... Definitely headcanon.. No where does it say mihawk is stronger than shanks, only both have implications of being stronger since they last dueled. Stop spreading misinfo especially when you give no scans