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Downplayed Goku
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Yeah this thread has gone on long enough as it is. Should be closed now.
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Well he's not wrong on the last part. Kami DID bring back the moon, presumably with the Dragon Balls. Shenron is suppossed to be as strong as it's creator, who is Kami. So wouldn't Kami be moon level? And 23rd Budokai Goku is stronger than Kami.
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Lol where not talking about z and super We're talking about og db and z the same logic does not apply since the diffence in power is nowhere near that big esp from point of view Thats my whole point goku super kamahameha in db is stronger than piccolo moon busting feat in z Do ap exist in og dragonball yes or no or does it only apply to z n super get that weak shit out of here lmao Website opinion does not equal fact lol Until one of you can actually prove that king piccolo is trillions of time weaker then boz piccolo ypur argument is mute Also goku had a god transformation to get your nonnillion times stronger you cant apply that to goku and piccolo doing pushups and basic training
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Shenron restoring the moon is counted as a feat here @Yobo
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As helpful as that would be, I plan to leave this open. I want no points left uncovered if and when I close this.
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Then again using my point Dende would be planet level since he controls Porunga. I doubt Dende is stronger than Raditz or Nappa (who are only Low 5-B)
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Shenron restoring the moon isn't a feat at all. It's wish granting hax, pure and simple.
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@Real Cal no thats a feat. We even have it on Shenron's profile
@Yobo again no.
@Yobo again no.
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Because hax can give you a tier, SD. Common knowledge. Note how every other stat is unknown.
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I know that. I meant that since Dende is Porunga's current creator (I think), then Dende would scale to him.Blanked said:
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The whole "Eternal Dragons are only as strong as their users" thing is consistently disproven in the series.
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Oh wait never mind Dende didn't create Porunga but he still recreated Shenron. So 5-C Dende with hax?
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It's common sense really. Piccolo had no reason to hold back against Goku, but was only able to destroy a country sized area.
And Majin Vegeta didn't hold back againts Buu and the feat was less than Country Area. Are Vegito Blue and Merged Zamasu building busters now? Lol
And Majin Vegeta didn't hold back againts Buu and the feat was less than Country Area. Are Vegito Blue and Merged Zamasu building busters now? Lol
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Yeah Shenron. I got mixed up between the two dragons.Yobobojojo said:
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@Cal ye, I'm just saying its still a feat.
@Ever ye
@Ever ye
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Literally the strongest characters in original db's best feat shown in the series is small country level, which is why it's an outlier for them to be moon level.
In dbz we start with a moon level feat, then not too long get a planet level one with vegeta, then freeza has a dwarf star level feat in first form which makes cell's solar system statement not hyperbole as due to kaoiken multiplies which is a legit multiplier displayed and explained in the series, final form freeza is star level, a stronger character being solar system level isn't unbelievable.
Original db characters been moon level makes no sense when it's contradicted by feats from the strongest characters, in dbz it's not the same, the characters have a clear and continuous linear progression in power.
In dbz we start with a moon level feat, then not too long get a planet level one with vegeta, then freeza has a dwarf star level feat in first form which makes cell's solar system statement not hyperbole as due to kaoiken multiplies which is a legit multiplier displayed and explained in the series, final form freeza is star level, a stronger character being solar system level isn't unbelievable.
Original db characters been moon level makes no sense when it's contradicted by feats from the strongest characters, in dbz it's not the same, the characters have a clear and continuous linear progression in power.
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So what I'm hearing is there not moon busters because others showed effort for lesser feats lmao Thats like saying ali wouldnt be able to fight in the ring after doing his wife Maybe it took effort to control the blast radius for all you know king p feat is tbe first exp of ap in db My point is their max output is moonbusting with extreme dif Lol damn near not even vs applicable and they still get stomp by other moon buster Tldr king piccolo isnt nuke level otherwise roshi would have buff out and distance and shot him off guard instead of sealing him
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If the Eternal Dragons were as strong as their creators, King Piccolo wouldn't have effortlessly one-shot Shenron, Porunga wouldn't be able to restore planets and Ultimate Shenron wouldn't be stronger than Baby (Yes, GT isn't canon but my point still stands).
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Furthermore, it being stated in the guidebooks that the attack was moon busting doesn't legitimize it, otherwise Elder God Demonbane would be 2-A because the creator of that said far more times that they were this level.
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