Downgrade to Dragon Ball speed(?)

[Ryop]

I found something interesting(for my opinion),when Goku was little he went to the moon by his ow however we know that Goku cant breathe in space so this mean probably that the moon of DB is a lot closer to earth than our( apparently inside the atmosphere which is 10,000 km)

I think that should downgrade the speed of all characters from saiyan saga and namek saga becuase their speed scale from piccolo's moon feat(becuse pepole porbably consider the moon as the same distance as our which make it Sub-Rel speed) if that will accpect here

 

[Huesito88]

Toryiama confirmed that the distance from the moon and the earth are basically the same with dbz moon distance being like 2 percent closer then our moon. So no besides this has been talked about and is considered a outliner for young goku traveling to the moon in under no time.

 

[Ryukama]

It's far more reasonable to say that due to how early in the series this is that Toriyama didn't establish the whole "saiyans can't breath in space" thing yet rather than DB's moon being inside the atmosphere. Or at least that it's PIS that Goku survived in space.

Even then Piccolo's Moon beam feat is getting revised and likely downgraded anyway for far better reasonings.

Also @Huesito do you have a source for that?

 

[Ryop]

isnt in this site feats>WoG? and Toryiama confirm that Goku really trave to the moo so this is not outlier i guess

 

[Ryop]

Rukama- you can see in the picture that also those creatures that Goku take with able to breathe

 

[Ryukama]

WoG can be accepted if feats and consistency within the story don't contradict it.

And yeah Toriyama confirmed that Goku travelled to the moon. But him being that fast so early on in the series is contradicted numerous times by later feats, statements and plotpoints. Hence being an outlier.

Also Toriyama most likely didn't establish or conceive of the idea of saiyans not being able to breath in space this earlier in the series. So it'd be more likely that Goku simply breathed in outerspace at the time than DB's moon being in Earth's atmosphere.

 

[Ryop]

Why this contradict? from what it look like Goku didnt reach to the moon Immediate there was a time skip(the black finel with start that you see in the upper part) and he reach the moon with his stick it not his actual travel speed i think

 

[Huesito88]

Found it took me a bit


https://www.reddit.com/r/CharacterRant/comments/3rh2lj/akira_toriyama_interviews/

 

[Ryukama]

If Goku travelled to the moon in seconds that would've contradicted later showings in the series. However if he went to the moon in an unknown timeframe, then the feat would just be unquantifiable. But that's unrelated to this thread.

Either way this won't downgrade Piccolo's beam feat, which is already likely being downgraded for other reasons.

 

[Ryop]

I dont think this contradicted if the moon is only few hundred\thousand km from earth and we use timelime of some mins(becuse there was time skip of some time)

 

[Ryukama]

We assume all celestial bodies (planets, moons, stars, galaxies, etc.) are the same size as our own unless explicitly stated or shown otherwise.

Goku being able to breath in space long before it was revealed he's a saiyan and that he has that weakness does not really indicate that the moon is vastly closer to Earth than in our world.

 

[Ryop]

^But that not only Goku i already told you thoes creatures also can breathein moon

 

[Ryukama]

That still doesn't indicate that the moon is inside of the earth's atmosphere.

So when a supernatural character survives on the moon, your first thought isn't "they can survive in space" rather "the moon in this series is actually inside of the earth's atmosphere"? Which of those two do you think is the simpler and more reasonable conclusion.

And Huesito finally linked to a direct statement about the moon in DB being the actual distance from Earth.

 

[Ryop]

this is becuse the fact there didnt died on they way to the monn show there was oxygen all thier way and think that all along the 380,000 km there still atmosphere and oxygen is more ridiculous than think that simply the moon closer to erath,moreover we alrdeety know that DB has the sme atmosphere as our

and i know he say that but that if there is feat that contradicted that so it possible to ingnore it becuse feats>WoG

i mean,this is the same guy who wasnt sure at 100% if Arale stronger than kid Goku

 

[Antvasima]

I agree with Ryukama.

 

[Ryukama]

No it isn't contradicted. A supernatural character being able to survive on the moon doesn't mean that the moon is inside the atmosphere. It means that supernatural character has the ability to survive in outer space.

So does no one in fiction have the ability to survive in space now? Are you always going to assume that wherever they went to was still in the atmosphere? Despite them being a supernatural character with no established need of oxygen? Despite the author of the story saying that the moon is the same distance from Earth as in the real world?

Look this is going nowhere. I've tried explaining these things multiple times and this is just going to be wasting staff's time when we're already working on downgrading this feat to begin with for far more reasonable things. So I'll be closing it.