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Yes, it is a Thought-Based Activation, but the only problem is its attack speed, where it can deliver a time-stopping attack
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Downgrade Infinite speed Arata
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We don't ignore it, instead we evaluate your scans and the explanations you provide, and the scans you provide do not qualify on this site. Don't say other people ignore your argument when your own argument is redundant
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And then, in feats it is also a timestop, it just starts from slowing down first.
Proof that it's not a dramatic effect by the author. Also starts from slowing down? So Arata reacted to a slowing down attack since the attack directly appear around Arata, therefore Arata is not reacting to a infinite speed attack in the slightest.
Yes, it is a Thought-Based Activation, but the only problem is its attack speed, where it can deliver a time-stopping attack
Except it doesn't
That's not a Time Stop ability, you have to look at the previous crt, not just this crt.
I'm not an actively around member here, so you'll have to link the CRT or explain why.
You haven't explained why it's not just a dramatic effect by the author btw.
Proof that it's not a dramatic effect by the author. Also starts from slowing down? So Arata reacted to a slowing down attack since the attack directly appear around Arata, therefore Arata is not reacting to a infinite speed attack in the slightest.
Yes, it is a Thought-Based Activation, but the only problem is its attack speed, where it can deliver a time-stopping attack
Except it doesn't
That's not a Time Stop ability, you have to look at the previous crt, not just this crt.
I'm not an actively around member here, so you'll have to link the CRT or explain why.
You haven't explained why it's not just a dramatic effect by the author btw.
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Bro, where are you talking about? In this section I am not talking about infinite speed.
He has already linked it
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Circular Argument.
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Even though it has been proven that it is actually a Time Stop if he uses the demon lord element.
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It's best to summarize what you said, to avoid circular arguments.
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What Time Stop.
It's best to summarize what you said, to avoid circular arguments.
Summarize what, I said like...the simplest words possible.
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It literally said "rather", translate that to your native language and tell me what you got.
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Even though it has been proven that it is actually a Time Stop if he uses the demon lord element.
What proof.
What proof.
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It's already there, I'm too lazy to explain it again, because I've explained it before.
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It's already there, I'm too lazy to explain it again, because I've explained it before.
Point out where you explained it, one staff already agreed with the downgrade, if you're lazy to explain then this thread is about to get accepted.
That time stop panel you used to validate that it's time stop has this old TV effect, so it's different than Lucifer's Gaze "Time Stop". So tell me, why do you assume it's time stopping through sheer speed.
Point out where you explained it, one staff already agreed with the downgrade, if you're lazy to explain then this thread is about to get accepted.
That time stop panel you used to validate that it's time stop has this old TV effect, so it's different than Lucifer's Gaze "Time Stop". So tell me, why do you assume it's time stopping through sheer speed.
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You yourself don't understand what that means. Even though this discan, it has been said that it is a Time Stop if using Element Demon Lord.
"IT'S NOT CONTROLLING THE LAST CREST USING THE MAGIC KING ELEMENT AND STOPPING TIME PERFECTLY"
This is just a flashback in this chapter
Lucifer Gaze is not a Time Stop. For the reason, please come to crt on Infinite Speed, so that you understand
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"IT'S NOT CONTROLLING THE LAST CREST USING THE MAGIC KING ELEMENT AND STOPPING TIME PERFECTLY"
You cut out the important part, "But rather, just slowing time down to almost a downstill"
This is just a flashback in this chapter
Great, so the series has two ways of interpreting black panels, time moving very slow or time stopping. So tell me why do you assume it's time stop rather than time moving dramatically slow.
Lucifer Gaze is not a Time Stop. For the reason, please come to crt on Infinite Speed, so that you understand
Link. And that just damages your argument even more, it's not a time stop nor anything, it's just a dramatic effect used by the author to potray a very tense moment, literally read other mangas, this is a common trope.
You cut out the important part, "But rather, just slowing time down to almost a downstill"
This is just a flashback in this chapter
Great, so the series has two ways of interpreting black panels, time moving very slow or time stopping. So tell me why do you assume it's time stop rather than time moving dramatically slow.
Lucifer Gaze is not a Time Stop. For the reason, please come to crt on Infinite Speed, so that you understand
Link. And that just damages your argument even more, it's not a time stop nor anything, it's just a dramatic effect used by the author to potray a very tense moment, literally read other mangas, this is a common trope.
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wow, this crt is going wild.
I don't want to serve a circular argument without being able to provide solid evidence and generalize if all black panels = time stop/time freeze.
which is just based on your own assumptions without backing up author statements / statement(too many assumptions).
it is said here that arata also only gets almost instantaneous statements not instantaneous speed (this is chapter 97). while lucifer gaze is in chapter 96
(btw idk this context refer to speed or just teleport) but both will be anti-feats for infinite speed arata.
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Now that help clears out some stuff.
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You say it's dramatic, and ignore the context of infinite speed.
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And you ignored that Arata have "almost instantaneous" even after dodging Lucifer's Gaze, ignoring the context and the narrative of your own verse I see.
I can read panels y'know. I know what I said.
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That is Arata's traveling speed, while Arata's traveling speed is not infinite. And, only React & Combat are Infinite, so don't make it up.
wow, this crt is going wild.
I don't want to serve a circular argument without being able to provide solid evidence and generalize if all black panels = time stop/time freeze.
which is just based on your own assumptions without backing up author statements / statement(too many assumptions).
it is said here that arata also only gets almost instantaneous statements not instantaneous speed (this is chapter 97). while lucifer gaze is in chapter 96
(btw idk this context refer to speed or just teleport) but both will be anti-feats for infinite speed arata.
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Yes, it does not seem to be a reaction, as the context is that he pursued the attack and dodged.
And you ignored that Arata have "almost instantaneous" even after dodging Lucifer's Gaze, ignoring the context and the narrative of your own verse I see.
I can read panels y'know. I know what I said.
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She said "movements" not travel speed btw. Reaction and combat are a part of movements.
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Travel speed to.
If we're talking about reaction speed, that doesn't prove reaction speed at all, because he's chasing his attack, so that's not reaction speed.
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For example, let's say that character A shoots at character B with a gun and character B dodges. That is reaction speed. Keep in mind, sometimes a person aim dodges and it is not as good of a feat.
Source : Speed | Wiki VSB
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She said "movement" and movement refers to anything moving lol.
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That would be moving at travel speed, not movement, right?.
lol
lol
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She said movement in general, lol. Do you think the author of the manga knew something like reaction speed and combat speed? She's obviously referring to Arata's speed, which is not instantaneous.
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The series said Arata's movement isn't instantaneous, and the series seem to not differentiate such a thing as reaction speed and combat speed. Which mean the series is referring to all of Arata's movement, and said it's not instantaneous.
You cannot combine vs wiki into the series's narrative, it's wrong.
You cannot combine vs wiki into the series's narrative, it's wrong.
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this will actually lead to a very big inconsistency, why?.
That's because Arata couldn't dodge this attack by the same opponent. even though lucifer gaze + black panel is the foundation of Infinite speed. but here he can't dodge that attack which doesn't make his panel black or whatever.
summarize:
1. Arata's side cannot prove that the black panel in the Lucifer Gaze scene is a speed that makes the surroundings freeze. and just do circular argument
2. there is an anti feat if all black panels = time stop
3. causes huge inconsistencies
That's because Arata couldn't dodge this attack by the same opponent. even though lucifer gaze + black panel is the foundation of Infinite speed. but here he can't dodge that attack which doesn't make his panel black or whatever.
summarize:
1. Arata's side cannot prove that the black panel in the Lucifer Gaze scene is a speed that makes the surroundings freeze. and just do circular argument
2. there is an anti feat if all black panels = time stop
3. causes huge inconsistencies
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Here it is shown like that scene, that Arata disappears and seems to fly to attack Deus Trinity.
Does he always have to combat someone with infinite speed?
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practically? yes. because he was in the same fighting situation and tried his best to win
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This proved that Deus was faster than him, and also without the need for Arata's Infinite React Speed to be shown, could already scale Deus Trinity.
Does it always have to be shown the infinite speed?
Of course not, let's take an example.
For example, Graham has Immeasurable React Speed because he can dodge attacks that transcend time and even his attack speed can go back in time.
After that, Anos does a normal attack on Graham, and the attack hits Graham, does Anos get Immeasurable Speed too? Obviously yes, although it is not shown that Anos' attack can go back in time using his speed.
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There is no need to be shown like that all the time.
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1. Already explained that above
2. Also explained it
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Is there a staff member who can evaluate everything here?
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