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Downgrade for Verses With Stabilization / Sustenance Feats
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Is there an actually example of a character sustaining something they didn't create? And I don't mean, "the text never confirmed they created this space". I mean it is 100% apparent that the character did not create this space.
Edit: I just saw Lucifer up there. But is there any other
Edit: I just saw Lucifer up there. But is there any other
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Do you want a valid one or just a feat? Because Bleach has more than 3 characters that would be able to sustain the verse but the feat isn't valid, KEKW.
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A valid one would be ideal.
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That seems like a specific case that’s more of a rarity than sustaining something created by you.
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@Iamunanimousinthat I think Ultraman King might be a valid one. He was stabilizing the Side Space universe (Which he didn’t create) that had been destroyed by the Super Dimensional Eradication Bomb with his own energy. And when Belial started absorbing said energy from the universe said universe started to destabilize and collapse. But it didn’t collapse in story since he just so happened to have finished healing the universe after his energy was drained (and later returned) so he no longer needed to stabilize it. Also he himself is far stronger than characters that can effortlessly defeat Zero who is equal to Belial who while being weakened survived being in the epicenter of said bomb that caused the collapse of the universe.
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This sounds like it would be good. If anything, it’s even better since based off what you said, he doesn’t need to constantly pump energy into that universe to sustain cosmic balance.
That means his energy doesn’t solely have the purpose of sustaining it and can be used for other purposes.
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Yeah in story King was also able to deliver a baby, give a portion of his energy to others, as well as appearing in the spiritual world to protect others from danger while still stabilizing the universe. Also I think I forgot to mention that his stabilization is done via merging with the universe and scattering himself as energy across the universe. So yeah uhh I’m not entirely sure if that affects him fitting the stabilization standard. But even if the stabilization part is removed from his profile he would still keep his tier due to scaling.
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I mean it ultimately depends case by case wise. Especially since Creation feats are also hit with the “prove it scales to AP” requirement that sustenance feats have of course.
Plus, losing a sustenance feat at least has the impact of taking away supporting feats to make the overall tier less ironclad. But like I said, that’s case by case depending on the verse.
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Bumping. Gotta continue this.
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bump
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Is one hour timeframe for stabilization/destabilization passable via current standards?? For a Low2C structure or even a standard 3A.
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Should get more opinions so don't take my word for it, but I don't think so. Generally speaking, an immediate timeframe is either instant or done in, like, a few minutes.
An hour seems to be kinda stretching it.
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Fair enough...lets ask others too..
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I think one hour is too much
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1 hour is too long for Low 2-C structure?
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I really don't see why the potency of the structure should matter.
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If there is a character holding a High 3A field and this field disappears after this character dies, the character should receive a High 3A rating. No matter what% of a High 3A area is occupied, it should still be High 3A
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no time frame outside infinity should be long for low 2C
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No to this, because a low 2-C structure is not automatically infinite in scope here.
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but infinite 3D space <low 2C structure? So it doesn't make sense that someone holding infinite 3D space is stronger than someone holding a low 2C space
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Sorry if I’m reading your response wrong, but I don’t think I quite understand.
Low 2-C power is superior to infinite 3-D (because you know, 4-D starts here), but that doesn’t mean the size of the Low 2-C realm needs to be superior to a High 3-A one.
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Size isn't really relevant here after High3A...
So timeframe leniency for High3A or Low2C should be more inline with that logic.
Just to clarify...you would have to show that timeline is being affected simultaneously......and accross past, present and future at the start itself...even if process has larger timeframe. To qualify for stabilization.
So timeframe leniency for High3A or Low2C should be more inline with that logic.
Just to clarify...you would have to show that timeline is being affected simultaneously......and accross past, present and future at the start itself...even if process has larger timeframe. To qualify for stabilization.
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I think we should separate for low 2C as follows. If it is not for the characters that keep the low 2C structure spatially, if the character holds the spacetime, 4D means that it holds a structure and it is 4D, so low 2C
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Yes and you would still need to prove the sustenance equals actual Low 2-C potency, and the latter is given by either one shotting a universal space-time or the destruction happens extremely quickly in a reasonable timeframe.
4-D by itself doesn't cut it.
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Lets take this one bridge at a time...
Lets talk High3A first...
Then we will move on to low2C.
So large but finite timeframes shouldn't affect stabilization of High3A realms according to me.
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Of course, it must be shown that space and time disappear at the same time because Space + Time = 4D
No matter how much you divide a 4D structure, it will still be 4D, so if space and time collapse together, this stabilization success should be considered as 4D and its time should be insignificant, but if only space collapses, 3D and time may be important.
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No no, what I mean is that 4-D by itself doesn't mean it would be Low 2-C for the feat.
It would be 4-D since its still effecting space-time, but it would be unquantifiable without a given scale of the feats 4-D power
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No matter how much you divide 4D, does it not make 4d again, so no matter how immeasurable 4D is, shouldn't it be bigger and stronger than infinite 3D? Isn't the wiki like that?
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No, not at all. We don't use dimensional tiering like that anymore. These days you need to prove something that's X-D is superior to Y-D, which is why dimensionality doesn't by default give any tier.
Its why something that's even 500-D can be as low as, like, 10-C.
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