Dovahkiin (Dragonborn) Downgrade.

[Aparajita]

This was orginially brought to my attention by user Jaften. Note: None of this research is mine.

"The planets are the gods and the planes of the gods, which is the same thing. That they appear as spherical heavenly bodies is a visual phenomena caused by mortal mental stress. Since each plane(t) is an infinite mass of infinite size, as yet surrounded by the Void of Oblivion, the mortal eye registers them as bubbles within a space. Planets are magical and impossible. The eight planets correspond to the Eight Divines. They are all present on the Dwarven Orrery, along with the mortal planet, Nirn."

"The sky is another visual phenomenon caused by mortal mental stress, the night sky in particular. The sky is as impossible as planets; in essence, when you look into the sky, 'you look outside the material plane'. At night, Nirn is surrounded by Oblivion. The day sky is the multicolored elemental cloak of Magnus the sun. It changes colors as elemental influences rise and fall. Thus, when one looks at the day sky, they see into the raiments of Aetherius, and stare at magic."

In the setting of TES, a conventional projectile fired into the sky would never reach the boundary of the sky no matter how fast it was traveling, since the distance between the "planet" and "space" is literally infinite by definition, meaning that the feat of "shooting the sun" is physically impossible, and therefore must be conceptual rather than literal—AKA, the arrow doesn't physically hit the sun (since that is literally impossible without using a magical portal to Oblivion), but the act of "shooting at the sun" has significance as a conceptmagically. It's just like mythology, people—in ancient Greece the sun was said to be Helios's chariot, but that doesn't mean Helios rode around on a massive sphere of fusing hydrogen.

'TL;DR—TES cosmology is NOTHING like the real world, so it can't be used for calculating feats.'


This research in question is regarding the reaction speed of the Dovahkiin, being able to react to Auriel's Bow's arrows.

The TL;DR is that Auriel's Bow is magical and fires arrows that don't follow standard laws of physics, as there is no set distance the "Sun" (Magnus) from Nirn (Earth).


Opinions? Orginally, a member of the calculation team was present in the dicussion, but the thread stagnated.

Thanks.

 

[Alakabamm]

If you look in the narutoforums calc for the feat, it was amended later on to only get the calc for the upper atmosphere, which does in fact exist on the "planet Nirn." That is considered a lowball and is the value you currently see on the profile. There is nothing about Magnus in that version of the calc.

I get what you mean but a planet still must have an atmosphere and assuming it ends at the normal place where space begins is pretty standard.

 

[Aparajita]

I get what you mean but a planet still must have an atmosphere and assuming it ends at the normal place where space begins is pretty standard.

Jaften was the one who did the research from TES' Library and created the thread, i'll ask him to participate in it.

 

[Jaften]

I get what you mean but a planet still must have an atmosphere and assuming it ends at the normal place where space begins is pretty standard.

Except that you're completely wrong there.

This isn't a "planet" as defined by the International Astronomical Unio. It isn't an astronomical object orbiting a star or stellar remnant that is massive enough to be rounded by its own gravity, is not massive enough to cause thermonuclear fusio, and has cleared its neighbouring regio of planetesimals.

"The planets are the gods and the planes of the gods, which is the same thing. That they appear as spherical heavenly bodies is a visual phenomena caused by mortal mental stress. Since each plane(t) is an infinite mass of infinite size, as yet surrounded by the Void of Oblivion, the mortal eye registers them as bubbles within a space. Planets are magical and impossible. The eight planets correspond to the Eight Divines. They are all present on the Dwarven Orrery, along with the mortal planet, Nirn."

"The sky is another visual phenomenon caused by mortal mental stress, the night sky in particular. The sky is as impossible as planets; in essence, when you look into the sky, 'you look outside the material plane'. At night, Nirn is surrounded by Oblivion. The day sky is the multicolored elemental cloak of Magnus the sun. It changes colors as elemental influences rise and fall. Thus, when one looks at the day sky, they see into the raiments of Aetherius, and stare at magic."

What this means:

• "Planets" are not finite physical bodies, but rather realms/dimensions of infinite mass and size. This means you cannot travel to the limits of a planet using speed, as the distance is literally infinite.

• "Planets" are physically impossible as defined under the modern laws of physics. They are essentially equivalent to entire conceptual universes.

• "The Sky" is just an illusion and is as physically impossible as "planets"—as I mentioned before, it's just a part of the planet, and is infinite in distance. There is no "upper atmosphere" because "the sky" stretches to infinity.

• "The Sun" is merely a "hole" left behind in the realm of Oblivion (which appears black like the void of space in real life) caused by the exodus of the magical deity Magnus, and is not a physical entity or even a location really, so it could not be reached by means of conventional travel.

TES cosmology is nothing like real life, so you can't use real-life facts such as "the height of the atmosphere" or "the distance between the Earth and Sun" for feats.

No, this doesn't mean the arrow speed should be "infinite" or "immeasurable" either. Don't be silly. The act of "shooting the sun" is a conceptual phenomenon, much like how being born under a certain "constellation" confers certain magical "blessings". So the feat cannot be used to measure speed.