Doom stuff

[PaChi2]

The Lavos vs Doom thread broughy to my attention some stuff about Doom at his Low 2-C rating that maybe was overlooked:

"It's not speed but it's more movement. The Cosmic Cubes in the Fantastic Four storyline just move throughout the multiverse and beyond, presumably by simply flying through angles we can't comprehend or see."

Im not Marvel expert so please take what I said with a grain of salt, but if the marvel universe is infinite, and taking into account that Cosmic Cubes work on 4D scale, for a Cosmic cube to leave the multiverse it'd have to move in a 5D axis at the very least.

This is Immesurable speed for Low 2-C Victor.

Next: "616 Eternity, Lord Chaos and Master Order met The Living Tribunal in 16th Dimensional space just to have a chat"

Galactus has Eternity's powers. Doom has this galactus' powers. In other words, Doom can step on 16th dimensional space.

1-B range with teleportation.

thoughts?

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Agreed.

Im still not getting why he is only Low 2-C here

 

[PaChi2]

16th dimension is 1-B right?

 

[SomebodyData]

I don't think they were referring to the higher-dimensional axis, just the overall multiverse.

Also Galactus' (Who by extension, Doom) has eternity's powers? 2-C Eternity when Doom is Low 2-C? Something doesn't seem right here.

 

[PaChi2]

I don't think they were referring to the higher-dimensional axis, just the overall multiverse.

Also Galactus' (Who by extension, Doom) has eternity's powers? 2-C Eternity when Doom is Low 2-C? Something doesn't seem right here.

But as I said, to get out of infinite 4D space by flying you need to move in a 5D axis, otherwise you'd never get out of it.

This is implying that the multiverse is infinite in extension, of course.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Something about the 16-D feat seems fishy since it implies that either The big L is 16-D or he chose to speak with 4-D abstracts in 16-D space for no reason, both of which are ludicrous

 

[PaChi2]

Im going to wait for Matt to explain.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Wasn't TLT 1-B for that 16D feat?

 

[Yobo_Blue]

TLT is High 1-B

 

[Yobo_Blue]

But yeah, Doom should be 2-C

 

[Kaltias]

TLT was 1-B due to that because TLT > Multi-Eternity = multiverse's space-time, so if the multiverse has 16-D space, it scales to Eternity who scales to TLT

But those were M-Bodies, not the full thing

 

[PaChi2]

Anyone say if they agree or not?

 

[SomebodyData]

Until the questions get resolved, its a no from me.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Ifndoom did absorb Eternity, he should be 2-C

 

[Antvasima]

I do not quite understand what changes that you want to make, or why.

Cosmic Cubes are Low 2-C because that is the general extent of their feats.

However, Matthew is planning to eventually revise some of the cosmic entities tiers when he finds the time.

 

[PaChi2]

I do not quite understand what changes that you want to make, or why.

Cosmic Cubes are Low 2-C because that is the general extent of their feats.

However, Matthew is planning to eventually revise some of the cosmic entities tiers when he finds the time.

If you dont understand the OP, Im trying to upgrade Doom's speed to immesurable and range to 1-B with the cosmic cube and galactus' powers.

 

[Antvasima]

You will need to supply scans with proof for me to evaluate this, but we need explicit feats from either the cubes or non-lifebringer Galactus.

 

[PaChi2]

You will need to supply scans with proof for me to evaluate this, but we need explicit feats from either the cubes or non-lifebringer Galactus.

Quoting Matt:

Also.

Cosmic Cubes leaving the Marvel Multiverse entirely. Moving through Higher-Dimensional Space and even Nonexistence is literally nothing to Marvel Abstracts. Hell, in The Ultimates storyline there's literally a realm called "The Outside ", named that because it is outside everything, including the Marvel Multiverse. Bacally every sinsigle Cosmic Character goes to it .

Leaving a infinite 4D multiverse = movement in 5D axis if its done by any non-teleportation means.

And the galactus thing comes from matt stating that Galactus got Eternity's powers, I dont know about scans.

 

[Antvasima]

I do not think that growing larger than a 4D universe, as the cubes did, automatically grants immeasurable speed. Also, movement along higher-dimensional spatial dimensions does not automatically grant higher speed at all. It takes transcending time to reach beyond MFTL+.

The Outside is a comparatively very recent idea. I am not sure if any regular universal abstract can reach it, or how to scale from reaching it. The Ultimates also managed to travel there after all, but giving their ship high hyperversal range seems exaggerated.

 

[PaChi2]

So, you disagree with this? @Ant.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes.

 

[PaChi2]

And about the range?

 

[Antvasima]

I am uncertain about the range.

 

[Antvasima]

Perhaps Matthew can help out?

 

[PaChi2]

The 1-B part is literally extracted from Matt's quotes.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, given that universes are 4-Dimensional, I think that we either have to treat the 16D conversation as an outlier, or as a meeting of the multiversal versions.