Doom Minor Things

[KieranH10]

Aight just two minor thing I wanted to bring up. First, new calc and how to apply it...

Basically Titans should receive a "Varies, from High 8-C to Low 7-C" Tier, and the profile should be given another key for Maligog, the massive Titan in The Ancient Gods in the Blood Swamps. This key will be High 7-C via the calc.

Wintherin (Dragons) would also scale to Large Building level as one was shown harming a Titan in the Siege on Immora. P.S. I called their profile heheheh sandbox is already done.

Atlans will likely scale to the High 8-C unfortunately, going through the base game and any other times we see the Titans in-game, Atlans have only ever fought against smaller Titans that we've seen, which is consistent, but sad.

• I will note that if there's lore to suggest that Atlans scale to stronger Titans, then they obviously should. I'm just not aware of any of said lore.

Oh, also. I wanna make Profiles for Hells Ships seen in Immora, do we think it should be safe to scale them to the level of the Dragons? The ships are much larger than the Dragons but we get little to no lore on them afaik.

Secondly, I also want to bring up a minor speed upgrade for Modern Demons, I believe this was brought up in the last thread, but cant remember... So I'll just do it here...
Modern incarnations of demons should be upgraded to Supersonic+ via reacting to gunfire in Eternal (I'm personally unsure if they can in 2016), these being bullets from the Chaingun, which has a muzzle velocity on this level.

That's pretty much it...

 

[Fupdumpthegump]

I’m not too sure I’m about giving the ships profiles, they just seem to have such a lack of feats. If you can find evidence that they could scale off of dragons then maybe, but just being bigger than something really doesn’t mean much.

 

[Fupdumpthegump]

Although I will say there was vehicles/weapons that can one shot mass amounts of sentinel warriors, so they could upscale significantly from 8-C.

 

[KieranH10]

The Ships have feats, some of their projectiles do reach the ground as you say, perhaps I should use those instead of scaling to the Dragons yes.

How do you feel about the other stuff?

 

[Fupdumpthegump]

I agree with the proposal for the Titans, although I know nothing about Atlans so I can’t say. I would personally give Maligog his own profile, he was considered important enough to get an actual name and lore. But either one doesn’t really bother me.

Can you show me when a dragon hurt a titan.

 

[KieranH10]

Ok, thank you. I was going to propose the Maligog to get it's own profile, however it really is just a larger more notable, named Titan, so I thought a key would be more appropriate.

I'll get a clip of it.

 

[KieranH10]

Dragon fighting a Titan, the small scene is looped because it's made for the background but we clearly see the Dragon harming the Titan, at least enough to make it cover itself.

 

[Fupdumpthegump]

I think there’s also a scene where a titan does a bull charge into a Atlan, which could yield higher results.

 

[KieranH10]

Yeah, I was going to do that at some point too as a Kinetic Energy calc.

 

[Axxtentacle]

So they can scale to KE instead of just GPE now

 

[KieranH10]

Only if it's a directed attack that's shown to damage stuff around it. Which this would definitely fall under.

 

[Axxtentacle]

thank god lmao...

 

[KieranH10]

Yup!
U agree with the stuff here btw?

 

[Axxtentacle]

I'm iffy on the ships thing, but yes on everything else.

 

[Fupdumpthegump]

What about the GPE of Atlans? although the mass would require quite a bit of guesswork so maybe not.

 

[KieranH10]

I suppose that would get higher than our current stuff yeah, however I don't see it getting higher than the KE feat.

 

[Axxtentacle]

That's fine honestly.

 

[KieranH10]

About the Ships, I got what looks to be an 8-C feat for Sentinel tanks already, so I can only assume Hell will have their fair share too. Plus the 8-C upscaling, I can see them being solidly into 8-C.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

This looks fine.

 

[Hellbeast]

Curiously what calc puts the Titans at High 8-c?

I'd also mention Atlans are pretty easily > Titans and the only way they lost in Hell was because they ran out of power

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I agree with Axxtentacle FRA.

 

[KieranH10]

The one mentioned in the OP.

Yeah, unfortunately they don't fight anything other than the smaller Titans however from what we see in-game, so they would still only upscale from the weaker Titans without a lore statement or such.

 

[Hellbeast]

Oh my bad loo

 

[Firestorm808]

Wouldn't Maligog's estimated lifting strength also be 234.81252307x more than the Hell Barge Titan?

 

[Firestorm808]

My pre-calc has Maligog's GPE + Estimated Lifting Strength at 7.76857061*10^15 Joules, Low 7-B.

 

[KieranH10]

We cant assume the Maligog's strength scales proportionately unless it has a feat iirc, it's only feat is lifting the platform we're on, which is much smaller than the Churches that Hell Barges carry.

 

[Hellbeast]

Yeah he'd probaby just get "At least Class G"

 

[KieranH10]

Yeah, that seems to be the safest bet to me.

Anyways, I will apply what has been agreed so far, this being the Titan changes, and the demon Speed iirc. I will do the Titan Kinetic Energy calc at some point in the near future.
I will find other feats for the Ships.

 

[Fupdumpthegump]

Shouldn’t both the High 8-C and High 7-C get a + for being a little over or even on the half mark of their tiers.

 

[KieranH10]

The High 7-C calculation doesn't quite reach the required value for High 7-C+, but yes, the High 8-C should be changed, i'll do that now. Good catch!