• This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.

    For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here.
  • We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.

    Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.

    Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page.
  • Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.

Doom Eternal Revision Thread

Status
Not open for further replies.
Titans are stated to be invincible to conventional weaponry which would include the arc manned mechs with argent weaponry.

Canonically Doomguy could likely have done this with his fists and the cruicble alone (like he does with the first titan) I mean if Titans are so strong being able to tank all conventional weaponry then why can the Icon of sin die to a shotgun? This is why I don't conflate gameplay and lore often unless they aren't contradictory.
 
KieranH10 said:
If he's destroying the Universe before he merges them, then I see no problem with him being 2-C with reality warping/Black Holes, but I still don't think the slayer should scale to him as he isn't shown taking the power of this Black Hole, more the Icons physical attacks, which dont seem to be on this level.
While it's likely that the Icon will survive the destruction of the universe, I don't see him getting durability from this as it's pretty inconsistent that a 2-C being would even be noticing the 8-B weapons that are fired at it, let alone literally being blown to bits by them. I believe that the Icon surviving the destruction of universes is more of a resistance to it's own effects, which would give it resistance to Reality Warping, and Black Hole Creation.
Click to expand...
I think the issue about the Icon getting damaged by weapons is more to do with game mechanics than the story and plot, tbh. But, we'll see. Imma go and sleep, dead right now.
 
It could be more of a gameplay thing that the Icon was harmed more by weaponary then the crucible itself.Lore wise the guns wouldn't have done anything seeing as hell barges(beings far inferior to the icon) are resistant to such weaponry and the fight played out more with the crucible in hand since it's stated as the only thing that could potentially harm the Icon.Additionally,Samuel wouldn't have been having a seizure about it if it could be harmed by such weaponry and would've utilized the vast naval/spatial fleet he had at his disposal.So it's pretty obvious gameplay isn't reflective of lore.
 
I suppose that's right, but I still believe that the Icons Low 2-C feat is purely passive reality warping, and dosen't scale to Doomguy.
 
The reality warping already took place partially by noticing the massive change in environment during the Icon of Sin boss fight.
7AE6F34E-F47E-46AD-8754-34D1507412B9
being similar to urdak's atmosphere.
ADB2C3A9-9E7F-4171-BC45-70CCAEEBA75D
Perhaps some of urdak's environment converged with Earth's.Making his effects present.
 
The icon also "damaged the implicate order of our dimension" by existing, from what I take an "implicate order" has to do with quantum mechanics, meaning he may have broken down the laws of physics by existing (if that wasnt evident already)
 
I think Icon quickly leaving Urdak made the storm effects less powerful in Urdak and because he was on Earth longer you see the storm being more powerful and chaotic. I think it's possible the Icon has did the black hole thing in the past as he is know as "the eater of worlds" and we know Hell has consumed countless dimensions before but I don't think he would be Low 2-C from that feat since the black hole absorbs a universe overtime.
 
It's implied the universe gets absorbed pretty quickly,Samuel's panicking sort of implies that it would most likely take less than a day for the icon to absorb the earth,with more time passing by it would be the universe.So in order to absorb the universe in a short amount of time,the icon would have had to grow the black hole more to accommodate for the size especially since the makyrs wanted their argent energy quickly,the universe would've been most likely absorbed in a week.
 
Samuel being worried about Earth being destroyed quickly doesn't mean he was refering to the black hole, the Icon was first going to destroy the Earth and then do the black hole stuff. We don't know how long the black hole stuff would actually take but if it took a week to absorb the universe then that wouldn't be low 2-C either way.
 
I think there may be a possibility for something in the tier 4 range but I have to look into it more when I'm not busy
 
I know the demons survived because of resurrection or whatever, but I'm more so talking about Doom Guy's weapons being powered by similar energy sources and the BFG scaling above this energy that makes nuclear power obsolete. That's like Solid Tier 7
 
Not every weapons uses the same amount of argent energy. BFG uses a lot of it, where as the pistol barely has any.
 
However the game states as soon as the icon of sin arrived the quantum mechanics of the world had been shattered,while the icon of sin would destroy the space-time continuum in the universe.That might be enough to qualify for low 2-C to high 3-A
 
Yes, but this energy was said to still produce what a nuclear reactor can produce in something small enough to fit in a hand. Even a little bit of it is still potent.

Still, don't see why it shouldn't be Tier 7 from the BFG at least.
 
You're asking if the BFG has more energy than the Argent Fuel Cell pure shot?
 
I'm saying the BFG is the greatest weapon and they have access to something even more potent than nuclear power in this verse. Assuming the BFG is more powerful than their tech that can utilize energy greater than nuclear energy isn't farfetched given it's directly stated to be their most powerful creation.
 
The pistol from Doom 2016 does, it's where the 4 megawatt statement comes from.
 
Aight, just looked at the Icon of Sin thing in the recent edits, and it seems I'm not the only one who had concerns over it.

The rating on that profile is not even remotely justified with the given evidence. Is anyone here planning to revise it, or should it be deleted?
 
I also have some concerns, and didn't know it was made till you posted @DarkGrath
 
As far as I've been able to find, the rating is based on these statements.

"The Icon's presence warps reality, damaging the implicate order of our dimension merely by existing within it. If allowed to remain unchecked it would lead to the total devastation of Earth, followed by a breakdown of spacetime around the planet."

and

"The resultant black hole will eventually drag our universe down, casting it into the mouth of Hell as conquest to be absorbed by the Dark Realm."

At the absolute most, the black hole being capable of physically dragging down the universe and destroying space-time on a planetary scale might be evidence for 3-B and pretty good space-time manip. The current rating of High 3-A and Low 2-C is borderline unfounded by the statements. Is anyone here knowledgeable on Doom Eternal able to clarify this?
 
Whoops. Forgot to edit that out of the AP before I went to dinner. It should be okay now. I just have it as "higher" with abilities until we get everything sorted out.
 
I agree with the Low 7-B physically as he clearly at least comparable to the Slayer, and i'm personally fine with the reality warping giving Low 2-C over time (even if we don't know the timeframe).

I'll bring up my point on demons and soul manip from earlier again, it's minor but seems accurate and likely scales to every demon.
 
The page should be deleted. It's in a pretty messy state, and we haven't even finished discussing its statistics. It's gonna have to be remade from the ground up anyway.

And going back a bit. I was suggesting Social Influencing for Samuel Hayde, not Doomguy. The dude became a christ figure the second he came back to Earth, and even became the leader of the Allied Nations almost instantly.
 
I understand that we have to discuss further on his hax abilities, but why does it need to be remade from the ground up?
 
I cant agree with Samuel getting social influencing as he's a leader figure to the UAC and pretty much all of earths forces by eternal.
 
Social Influencing is ones ability to manipulate other characters using some form of charm.

Didn't he get on eneryone's good side by solving the energy crisis again?
 
KieranH10 said:
I cant agree with Samuel getting social influencing as he's a leader figure to the UAC and pretty much all of earths forces by eternal.
Click to expand...
Yes, him becoming a leader figure is part of why he should have it. The dude basically became a god to them. That's downplaying him a lot.
 
Oh damn that was actually a typo XD, I fully agree with him getting it, sorry about that lol
 
"...both planes of existence are fixed outside the bounds of the known Universe..."

Thought this was noteworthy. Nvm now
 
The plasma rifle profile says the microwave beam is pure plasma energy so I don't think it's speed of light attack.

Also as a side note, the doomguy's profile says he has hypersonic attack speed but it doesn't say why. So why is he that fast in attack speed?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

Spicy78
She Rippin' on my Guts until I Tear - A DOOM Upgrade/Revision CRT
Replies
27
Views
3K
Spicy78
Spicy78
TyphonEX
More DOOM upgrades
Replies
11
Views
1K
Theglassman12
Theglassman12
ShionAH
The Only Thing They Fear Is... You - DOOM Revisions (Part 2)
2
Replies
73
Views
5K
ShionAH
ShionAH
ShionAH
The Only Thing They Fear Is... You - DOOM Revisions (Part 3)
2
Replies
75
Views
4K
Hellscream
Hellscream
Firestorm808
DOOM - Quad Damage
Replies
31
Views
2K
Firestorm808
Firestorm808
Back
Top