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Doom Eternal Revision Thread

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DTG499 said:
It's ******* DOOM most of the shit that goes on is illogical. All of doomguy's weapons are far far below his own physical tier but he uses them anyway. They have an AI on the intercom that lets the demons know when doomguy is coming.
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That doesn't mean we can ignore obvious enviornmental "clues".
 
I mean, there's illogical and then outright evidence against what you're saying.

Currently you're asserting the BFG 9k is the sole source of power for the BFG 10k. The actual game shows otherwise.

Really, the BFG 9k being the sole source is the illogical part. Wouldn't need the BFG 10k if that was the case.
 
Also, why would this matter? If the BFG-10000 was of UaC design, then why didn't they use that to take down the titans and shit? Maybe because that statement about their entire arsenal proving null was true? Meaning the Icon scales above that?

But I dunno. Either way, how much energy does a nuclear reactor produce in a year? Because apparently amy weapon that can utilize Argent Energy should be able to produce this energy.
 
"Currently you're asserting the BFG 9k is the sole source of power for the BFG 10k. The actual game shows otherwise."

It really doesn't though. Like the thing is legit a huge ass housing for the 9k, down to the gun itself being able to have its trigger pulled in it. ALl the stuff about everyone saying it's the power source is in the game too, as are the codex entries.

"Really, the BFG 9k being the sole source is the illogical part. Wouldn't need the BFG 10k if that was the case. "

There's still the extra range, which seems to be indicated with the whole lens array thing.
 
SomebodyData said:
I mean, there's illogical and then outright evidence against what you're saying.

Currently you're asserting the BFG 9k is the sole source of power for the BFG 10k. The actual game shows otherwise.

Really, the BFG 9k being the sole source is the illogical part. Wouldn't need the BFG 10k if that was the case.
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No the game doesn't show otherwise you are just assuming the argent energy we see isn't coming from the 9K. When the game told us the energy source is the BFG 9K
 
@Wok

Well Dienomite literally showed the housing include several massive argent energy containers. At best, you could argue the BFG 9k got amped by the energy, but in no way would being the sole source of power be the final conclusion.

Yeah, but I would argue that it shows that the BFG 10k is influencing the output of the BFG 9k's blast.

@DTG as far as I can tell, it never said it was the sole source of energy. Like Dienomite said, we have some pretty obvious enviromental cues.
 
I'm in agreement with SomebodyData regarding the BFG 9000 Vs BFG 10000. We're unsure how much the magnifier does magnify it, thus it's difficult to consider how powerful the BFG is normally without using its own feats. Although, it should be no weaker than the 2 megakelvin laser if it's "The Strongest conventional weapon ever built."
 
What environmental clues? The statement was the BFG 9K is the source of the 10K's energy. Not some of it not most of it, no it is THE source.
 
DTG499 said:
What environmental clues? The statement was the BFG 9K is the source of the 10K's energy. Not some of it not most of it, no it is THE source.
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The big ass pool of argent energy below the 10K. Im done with the 10K and 9K part of CRT. I doubt it will be accepted and if it does, I can't imagine it lasting long.
 
SomebodyData said:
"What environmental clues?"

There were massive containers of argent energy in the BFG 10K.
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Yeah and you know where the energy is coming from?
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"The Thrall, possessing superior resilience, proved indestructible by conventional weapons, thwarting all attempts by ARC defensive forces. Only by severing the Priest's psychokinetic tether could the Titan be neutralized - an act that could only be accomplished by an infiltration of the Temple itself."
 
"Conveniently cropped out" What are on earth are you on about? There was no statement saying that the barrels were working independently from the BFG 9000, the stated energy source.
 
Yeah the source of all that energy we see is the BFG 9K. That's what they said in the video.
 
I was refering to the environmental cues. I don't need to repeat saying that every post.

Even then, to assume the BFG 10K isn't amping the BFG 9k in some way, especially since we see a massive range and AP difference, seems off.
 
Yeah sure some way right? Not the whole ******* gap of 8-B to High 6-A right? Like really how would an 8-B be even a smidge of an energy source for a High 6-A?
 
Didn't you literally just make an argument about DOOM being illogical?

Well if it is amplified by the BFG 10K, it could have been an exponential amp on its power source. Which makes sense, given we see the range jump is actually exponentially higher.
 
SomebodyData said:
Didn't you literally just make an argument about DOOM being illogical?

Well if it is amplified by the BFG 10K, it could have been an exponential amp on its power source. Which makes sense, given we see the range jump is actually exponentially higher.
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No it's illogical from a decision making stand point not a scaling stand point.

No it wouldn't make any sense because, And I don't understand why I have to keep saying this, it is the source of the BFG 10K's energy. It's stated to be the strongest weapon in the UAC's possession.

Those are 2 points of evidence leading to fact that the 9K scales to the High 6-A feat.

Verses your's which can pretty much be summarized as "Eh it doesn't look like it's being powered by it"
 
Which would led to a illogical scaling point, as the BFG 10k wouldn't need to exist if the BFG 9k can do it by itself.

If its being amped by the BFG10k's massive argent energy reserves, it would still be its power source, just being amped. It being the strongest weapon doesn't mean it has resistance to statistics amplification or can't be further empowered.

That's a bit of a strawman no? We see literal argent energy coming out from the BFG10k, the BFG9k never doing anything on this scale by itself, and we already know the BFG10k is amping its range.

It's less of "Eh it doesn't look like it's being powered by it" and more like "From the context shown, that the BFG9k doesn't blow up continents and travel interplanetary range normally."
 
I don't know where else we can go from here you guys keep ignoring explicit statements in favor of your own head cannon on how the BFG 10000 works.
 
You do realize that some people have jumped from Tier 9 to Tier 2 via picking up a magic sword before right. Or just some electricity empowered a Tier 2 robot. It really isn't that illogical for a weapon to jump from 8-B to High 6-A if the adapter is clearly the one that has most of the energy.
 
@DTG No one is denying that the BFG9k is the power source of the BFG 10k, but outside of that statement, we see quite a lot of details that show that it isn't High 6-A and Interplanetary range normally either, its not like the statement exists in a vacuum either. Again, not sure how many times it has to be stated but we literally see argent energy coming out seperately from the BFG.

At the very least, its obviously being amped.

DDM is arguing that the very adapter is amplifing the BFG 9k too.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
You do realize that some people have jumped from Tier 9 to Tier 2 via picking up a magic sword before right. It really isn't that illogical for a weapon to jump from 8-B to High 6-A if the adapter is clearly the one that has most of the energy.
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When we have statements explicitly saying that the said 8-B is the strongest weapon in the UAC and that it's powering the weapon that did the High 6-A. It would be problematic if the statement was that the Magic sword became tier 2 only because he's putting his tier 9 power into it.
 
Let's just break it down piece by piece.

There are 3 main aspects of an energy gun: Power Source, Energy Output, and Range.

The BFG 9k is the main power source. According to the Codex, the Magnification Array and Lensing Rings are also connected to the 9k's power source. Inside the 10k, the 9k makes the initial shot that we are all familiar with. The Array and Rings then draws more energy from the power source to alter the initial shot. The codex says that the reaction's resulting energy wave is High 6-A.
 
@Firestorm can you cite the codex specifically? This could probably end the debate quickly.
 
Ah must have missed it.

So the planet cracking is a chemical reaction? This entire argument would have ended the moment the scan was produced, so why was it continued?
 
The reaction causes a greater energy wave which cracks the planet, yes.

BFG-9000

"The BFG-9000 remains the most powerful weapon ever designed by the UAC., releasing a projectile of pure roiling Argent Plasma. The sphere of superheated energy undulates as Argent Tendriles lash out, drawn to nearby organic material an immediately producing a fatal explosion from within.

Dr. Samuel Hayden recently deployed the weapon to Phobos, where it served as the inspirational linchpin for the development of the BFG-10000 defense station. When mounted inside the station's magnifying array, the BFG can be fired into a series of reactive lensing rings; these rings pump a constant stream of gaseous Argent through the barrel, which ignites in reaction to the electrified plasma, producing a tremendous energy wave powerful enough to crack the surface of a planet."

BFG-10000

"Originally established as a mining and communication relay, the UAC outpost on Phobos began immediate expansion following the destruction of the Argent facility on Mars. The UAC Board of Directors, intent on retaining their monopoly of the red planet and its surrounding airspace, issued the construction of an expansive defensive platform. Using technology derived from the BFG-9000, the design plan called for a massive particle cannon to be built on the orbiting moon. The BFG-10000, the largest man-made weapon platform ever conceived, wields enough firepower to defend against even the most sophisticated of capital-grade FTL cruisers in existence - or against the eventual potentiality of a space-bound demonic threat."
 
Eh, it's whatever. Also good to know that FTL ships exist. Being able to tag them implies FTL attack speed as well.
 
I always interpreted it as "it can destroy these giant spaceships" rather than "it can tag FTL spaceships"

That's what it implies when taking the whole Codex entry into context and through the use of the word 'firepower'
 
Was any sort of conclusion reached while I was asleep? Also, do we all agree Doomslayer's weapons scale to him now?

Edit: Checked the other thread, of course we don't
 
Cause many demons now react to the slayer's punches and block them.
 
Wouldn't be against it, especially seeing as they're all Maykr / Sentinel / Demon tech / built by VEGA now

It's just that stuff like the BFG and Unmaykr are massively above everything else

EDIT: The Demons wouldn't scale though (except those that clearly fight back, like the Marauder) since Doomguy just casually tears them apart
 
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