Doki Doki Literature Club Revisions

[Eficiente]

Mostly Monika

• Biological Manipulation here and here
• Empathic Manipulation
• Mind Manip that isn't brainwashing
• Body control here
• Time fast-forward Negation here
• Immortality type 1 here, here, here, here, here and here
  • I admit that she contradicts that with some of the things she says.
• Corruption via corrupting the game/reality through her alterations to it, one example
• Sound Manipulation here

• For speed an elaboration of this should go next to what we already have
• Non-Corporeal is a "possibly" but Nonexistent Physiology goes just fine.. ? Why is that?
• Her Power Nullification is Negation... Oh sh*t they are the same now. Still
• She and Sayori should be "10-B physically, Low 2-C, likely 2-C with powers"
• Sayori's profile is very inaccurate, it says that she did things Monika did, why not just give her what she demonstrated and "Access to all the powers Monika has"? We don't even know if she can use all of that, only that she could.
• The pic of the Player shows its avatar, which should be mentioned and have its own key.

 

[Eficiente]

Also teleportation.

 

[DMB_1]

Seems overall fine, but:

• The example of Mind manipulation that you put seems closer to Madness Manipulation to me.

• Time-Fast Forward negation is fine, but she can negate other examples of time manip├¿ulation, such as the player attempting to bring back a previous save file. Both cases should be under the same Power-Null ability.

• I don't know if making an avatar for the player, or giving Monika a 10-B key is absolutely necessary.

• Could you show me examples of type 1 immortality being contradicted?

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

• She and Sayori should be "10-B physically, Low 2-C, likely 2-C with powers"

No. A lot of characters are 3-D physically and have 4-D powers. It's fine as is.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

To be fair, they still have durability scaling to their AP, which isn't the case here.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Monika doesn't punch away universes, she uses her powers to delete them.

 

[LightinAnt]

*She and Sayori should be "10-B physically, Low 2-C, likely 2-C with powers"
No. A lot of characters are 3-D physically and have 4-D powers. It's fine as is.

Well those characters usually scale to others, correct me if i'm wrong but Monika never traded blows with somebody before. Not like this matters since i don't believe she is a physical fighter anyways

 

[DragonEmperor23]

She isn't but the profile needs to have accurate stats for the character.

 

[YungManzi]

I don't wanna be "that guy"....but....should doki doki characters be tier 2 at all? IDK.

And I'm not questioning it because of doki doki being a meta narrative. I'm talking about via pure feats, do they really justify the tier 2 rating?

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

TBH, I think most of the stuff isn't quantifiable myself

 

[LightinAnt]

It's based on speculation that the realm in question is universe sized, to me it looks more like a star system in the final events of the game

 

[YungManzi]

It's based on speculation that the realm in question is universe sized, to me it looks more like a star system in the final events of the game

Exactly, there's no evidence to suggest that the timelines in doki doki contain 3-A universes, which is required in order to reach tier 2.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

So 4-A?

 

[LightinAnt]

I mean if we are so lenient on this kind of stuff because we see stars and space in the background then Kaguya should be Solar System level too because of her dimension, unless there is more evidence for Universal, let alone 2-C Doki Doki, i'm for downgrading it to tier 4

 

[DragonEmperor23]

The Kaguya thing was discussed multiple times. Yeah, looks like DDLC is getting downgraded.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

This is unironically too good to be true and I know for a fact this won't get accepted

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Unless there are statements of an infinite universe, that means we have to judge the universe from what we can see aka multiple solar systems

 

[Therefir]

I know this isn't very important, but it still bothers me a little, shouldn't be Monika's durability, striking strength and lifting strength Athletic Human? The MC stated that she is very athletic.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

That would make sense.

 

[Jinsye]

Downgrade is dumb.

I'm against it.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I'm against both DDLC, and the downgrade

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Downgrade is dumb.

I'm against it.

For what reason?

 

[YungManzi]

Should a new thread be made for the AP downgrade alone?

 

[LightinAnt]

Probably

 

[Therefir]

I think you have to prove that the DDLC universe is not a normal universe, not the other way around.

 

[LightinAnt]

I mean its a game world, what proves that it is a universe let alone infinite in size? Games have data and need ram, having a universe in it should be explained since its really meta

 

[Jinsye]

It's not exactly a game world tho

It's a regular world that has a 4th wall aware character.

 

[LightinAnt]

Monika literally uses the game mechanics and you can delete her via your computer iirc, its literally a game and is treated as such in-universe which mind you don't have infinite space for ram. If its really universe sized it should be explained since this goes against the logic of game size

 

[DragonEmperor23]

No, Monika talks about editing files and she removes some of the buttons. Those don't exist in a regular world.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

2D Monika when? ovo

 

[LightinAnt]

2D Monika when? ovo

She probably is 2D unironically since she talks to the 3D player and is aware of that fact

 

[DragonEmperor23]

She references being lower d when talking about people and writing but then uses wording that implies she is the writing.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

I'm personally neutral but going from 2-C to 11-A would be a downgrade that'd make Bill Cipher's revisions look minor

 

[LightinAnt]

Pretty sure her hax would still be higher tier, but she is undeniably a lower D being as the game is very meta and Monika references the real world and you directly

 

[Jinsye]

We had an entire thread about 11-A and it was denied.

 

[LightinAnt]

Where? Even if, she is not Tier 2/3-A, there is no evidence for it other based on assumptions

 

[Jinsye]

Here

 

[YungManzi]

I don't agree with the tier 11 downgrade (For reasons mentioned over and over again in the past), but I agree with the tier 4 downgrade.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

After reading the thread, yeah she's not 11-A, but tier 4 is more reasonable than tier 3.

 

[Therefir]

You're basically saying she is not tier 2 because her universe is 2-D.