Does this qualified for HDE.

[MSahla]

Does statements like this:

"He's a Higher Being, physical form is meaningless to him. And he's able to take on many forms as he desires, be it humans, animals, monster and etcetera."

Is enough to at least get
Avatar Creation and "Possibly Higher-Dimensional Existence" or even enough to qualified Higher-Dimensional Existence?
Here's the real scan of that

It is further supported by the statement that "The real him is terrifying" Since the current form of him now is just an avatar he created.

Strange Creature:I'll let you in on a little secret — the real Surtalogi is terrifying.

Strange Creature: The scope of his power is impossible to understand until you experience it first-hand. It is absolute — the power to crush all things.

I really want the staffs to look at this so i can confirms which one it should be.
(So pls come here mods )

 

[Pluto321]

avatar creation is fine, first scan might be but not 100% and second scan disprove it and would get large type only.

 

[MSahla]

avatar creation is fine, first scan might be but not 100% and second scan disprove it and would get large type only.

So first scan is enough to get Possibly HDE too?

 

[Pluto321]

So first scan is enough to get Possibly HDE too?

might be since that person is called a Higher Being and Physical Forms are meaningless to him but but second scans shows that he might be just that he is very large and the narrator is not that knowledge on the him and considered him as higher being because of his size, I think

 

[MSahla]

might be since that person is called a Higher Being and Physical Forms are meaningless to him but but second scans shows that he might be just that he is very large and the narrator is not that knowledge on the him and considered him as higher being because of his size, I think

Well so, The Second scan isn't talking about his Literal size actually.

Here's the real scan of him talking about that:

"It was a spontaneous impulse, nothing more."

Her master, whose true name was Surtalogi, replied thusly.

"I may be the greatest calamity in the whole universe at this moment. Do you believe that?"

"There is no need to discuss my belief in the matter, Master. Those that once doubted are now but dust in the void."

"Hmph. Strength is what I have always pursued — the kind that lets one tear through every lie and manipulation."

"But... having come this far, I find myself struck by one worry..."

"...That I might someday get bored."

Skirk listened quietly. She couldn't fathom that the life of such a universe-shaking villain could be "boring."

"After seeking the strongest warriors the universe has to offer, there may no longer be any further strength for me to seek."

"How did that story go again? 'Distance is measured by the heart, and my heart is slightly larger than the universe.'"

 

[Pluto321]

Well so, The Second scan isn't talking about his Literal size actually.

Here's the real scan of him talking about that:

ok, so heart part was different people talking. HDE might be possible but not 100% sure tbh.

 

[MSahla]

ok, so heart part was different people talking. HDE might be possible but not 100% sure tbh.

Yeah, i also not 100% sure thats why i ask for "Possibly HDE".
Thank you for sharing you thoughts tho, but im still wanna hear about the others thoughts.

 

[Zeldris98764]

"He's a Higher Being, physical form is meaningless to him. And he's able to take on many forms as he desires, be it humans, animals, monster and etcetera."

This is pretty straightforward.

Avatar Creation / Shapeshifting: Yes. "Physical form is meaningless" and "able to take on many forms" seems like evidence for a character whose true self is separate from the bodies they manifest. I'd say this qualifies for Avatar Creation and Shapeshifting
Higher-Dimensional Existence: No, this is not nearly enough. "Higher Being" is a vague, unquantifiable term that gets thrown around a lot in fiction. It doesn't automatically mean higher-dimensional in a geometric, tiering-relevant sense. This statement points more towards something like Incorporeality or Abstract Existence, not HDE. There's no mention of dimensions, spatial axes, or viewing the 3-D world as a "slice" of his reality. Attributing HDE from this seems like a hasty generalization.

"How did that story go again? 'Distance is measured by the heart, and my heart is slightly larger than the universe.'"

This just seems like metaphorical language, not a literal statement of size or dimensionality.

To me, it seems like the character is talking about his ambition, his will, and his own perceived scale in a philosophical sense. It's a boast to express that his "spirit" or "presence" is boundless and feels bigger than the physical cosmos. Poetic.
Even if you were to take this hyperbole literally and argue he's physically larger than a universe, that still wouldn't grant HDE. Size and dimensionality are not the same thing. Being infinitely large in 3-D space doesn't make you 4-D.

A 3D object can be the size of a universe. Size and dimensionality are separate stats.

 

[MSahla]

This is pretty straightforward.

Avatar Creation / Shapeshifting: Yes. "Physical form is meaningless" and "able to take on many forms" seems like evidence for a character whose true self is separate from the bodies they manifest. I'd say this qualifies for Avatar Creation and Shapeshifting
Higher-Dimensional Existence: No, this is not nearly enough. "Higher Being" is a vague, unquantifiable term that gets thrown around a lot in fiction. It doesn't automatically mean higher-dimensional in a geometric, tiering-relevant sense. This statement points more towards something like Incorporeality or Abstract Existence, not HDE. There's no mention of dimensions, spatial axes, or viewing the 3-D world as a "slice" of his reality. Attributing HDE from this seems like a hasty generalization.

But isn't that "HDE" Is supported by the statement of "The Real Him"?
The statement of him being "higher being" is connected to him being doesn't have physical form, hence why he can take on many forms (avatar creations).
What i offer is not just the statement "He's a higher being" But also the rest of that.

"Of course, as a Higher Being physical forms is a triviality to him"

 

[Zeldris98764]

But isn't that "HDE" Is supported by the statement of "The Real Him"?
The statement of him being "higher being" is connected to him being doesn't have physical form, hence why he can take on many forms (avatar creations).

Being non-physical ≠ Being higher-dimensional.

A ghost is non-physical. A soul is non-physical. A concept is non-physical. None of these are automatically higher-dimensional. They are simply incorporeal beings that exist within the same 3D space as everyone else, just without a physical body.

Higher-Dimensional Existence is a specific state of being that transcends spatial dimensions (i.e., having a 4th spatial dimension, a 5th, etc.). It's a geometric and ontological superiority. Lacking a physical form doesn't grant you an extra spatial axis.

"Of course, as Higher Being physical forms is a triviality to him"

It explicitly links "Higher Being" status to his lack of a need for a physical form. It tells us about the nature of his existence (incorporeal), not the geometry of it (higher-dimensional).

 

[MSahla]

Being non-physical ≠ Being higher-dimensional.

A ghost is non-physical. A soul is non-physical. A concept is non-physical. None of these are automatically higher-dimensional. They are simply incorporeal beings that exist within the same 3D space as everyone else, just without a physical body.

Higher-Dimensional Existence is a specific state of being that transcends spatial dimensions (i.e., having a 4th spatial dimension, a 5th, etc.). It's a geometric and ontological superiority. Lacking a physical form doesn't grant you an extra spatial axis.

I mean i'm not even saying being "non-physical = higher dimensional existence" either man

It explicitly links "Higher Being" status to his lack of a need for a physical form. It tells us about the nature of his existence (incorporeal), not the geometry of it (higher-dimensional).

Even "Possibly" not possible here? Because i do think that quotes is enough to implied him being HDE.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Zeldris is right. That quote isn't even enough for a "possibly" HDE.

 

[Zeldris98764]

I mean i'm not even saying being "non-physical = higher dimensional existence" either man

Even "Possibly" not possible here? Because i do think this implication is enough to implied him being HDE.

The problem is that the "implication" you're seeing is a logical fallacy. You're trying to connect two separate concepts—being non-physical and being higher-dimensional—as if one suggests the other. They don't.

"Possibly" requires some basis, even if it's vague or inconclusive. All of your evidence points directly and cleanly to Incorporeality and Avatar Creation. It doesn't vaguely point to HDE.

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

yeah no , sutrologi is not getting that all just means he is powerful and can take multiple form.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

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