Does our human lifting strength levels have any basis for their self-explanatory areas?

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I can get around Average Human and Above Average Human since our weights are in that area. Though does any of our lifting strength levels from Athletic Human to Peak Human have any source credible basis for their baselines?

Like I know that we would likely accept benchmarks for stuff like deadlifts since by heart, that's what a lift is supposed to be, but do we have sources/basis for this?

Like, some althletes can deadlift over 2x their bodyweight compared to regular people going by similar standards to how we accept lifts for our lifting levels. And why is peak human at 227 kg something when at a bare minimum, it could be 201 kg+?

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• Factoring that the average weights are 54-83 kg, an athlete should be capable of lifting over 108-over 166 kg on average. That would mean that not all athletes can lift up a mature lion. That's considering not every athlete can lift athletic human force.

 

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I'm considering contacting Crabwhale about this. Since lifting strength is a stat that could be like "if it ain't broken/fixable, don't fix it" type of thing like the other lifting strength and tier stats

 

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I looked it up one time. The closest I found is this article, where an untrained man is said to be able to lift 135 to 175 lbs (61.235 to 79.3787 kg): https://www.livestrong.com/article/380767-how-much-weight-can-the-average-man-lift/

You can scroll down further since the tables will provide a more accurate picture than the opening statement.

At the same time, under normal circumstances, manual labor jobs typically require you to be able to lift 50 lbs (22.6796 kg). This is less of a statistical average and more like how much a human is expected to be able to lift under normal circumstances.

 

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In regards to other ratings... The 227 kg minimum for Peak Human is less of a statistical value and more like a rule of thumb used for the system, obviously based on that weight in pounds (500 lbs).

 

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In regards to other ratings... The 227 kg minimum for Peak Human is less of a statistical value and more like a rule of thumb used for the system, obviously based on that weight in pounds (500 lbs).

What about baseline Athletic Human's 120 kg? Not every athlete is built for weightlifting. Not to mention why is even stuff for baseline athletic or possibly peak human not linked? My common sense couldn't really figure out where the baseline for athletic human is really precisely defined.

 

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What about baseline Athletic Human's 120 kg? Not every athlete is built for weightlifting. Not to mention why is even stuff for baseline athletic or possibly peak human not linked? My common sense couldn't really figure out where the baseline for athletic human is really precisely defined.

True, but lifting strength does apply to pushing and pulling. This involves not only weightlifting, but also American football (I have to specify that part), hockey, sumo wrestling, and oddly enough even the WWE. Even the simple game of Tug of War involves lifting strength as it is essentially people pulling against each other.

I think examples like those would translate into lifting strength, but outside from that, I'm not entirely sure. Honestly, I think this is just one of the bigger puzzles in VBW history.

 

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True, but lifting strength does apply to pushing and pulling. This involves not only weightlifting, but also American football (I have to specify that part), hockey, sumo wrestling, and oddly enough even the WWE. Even the simple game of Tug of War involves lifting strength as it is essentially people pulling against each other.

I think examples like those would translate into lifting strength, but outside from that, I'm not entirely sure. Honestly, I think this is just one of the bigger puzzles in VBW history.

I've read the versus threads related to this topic and Crabwhale's input. Generally, deadlifting is a more consistent way of defining lifting strength values since he says it's the pinicle of what lifting typically is. A world record lift that has kg lower than peak human is considered peak human by our system's oversimplified standards.

 

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I've read the versus threads related to this topic and Crabwhale's input. Generally, deadlifting is a more consistent way of defining lifting strength values since he says it's the pinicle of what lifting typically is. A world record lift that has kg lower than peak human is considered peak human by our system's oversimplified standards.

I think it's more of a matter of opinion, really. Some Vs Debaters treat lifting strength as how much one can lift above their shoulders.

 

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I think it's more of a matter of opinion, really. Some Vs Debaters treat lifting strength as how much one can lift above their shoulders.

How is it a matter of opinion? We have a guy that can back lift stuff into class 5 lifting strength via lifting 2 cars.

What's the heaviest weight a person can lift?

The world's strongest lifters on record won acclaim for hoisting thousands of pounds into the air at one time. Could they ever go heavier?

www.livescience.com

 

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How is it a matter of opinion?

Did you even read the second sentence? Because that literally answered your question before you asked it.

 

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Did you even read the second sentence? Because that literally answered your question before you asked it.

If the opinion was that peak human is to define it as whatever, then Crabwhale's conclusions have no basis and we should eliminate Class 1 in our LS system in favor of bumping up Peak Human into X amount of tonnes.

Dismissing Crabwhale's input as subjective opinion like other debaters makes no sense.

 

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If the opinion was that peak human is to define it as whatever, then Crabwhale's conclusions have no basis and we should eliminate Class 1 in our LS system in favor of bumping up Peak Human into X amount of tonnes.

Dismissing Crabwhale's input as subjective opinion like other debaters makes no sense.

Dude, you're acting like one person matters more than, like, an entire community. Like, no. That's not how communities work. There's an entire Staff Discussion thread on this forum designed for a group of staff members to come to an agreement on certain thoughts and opinions regarding site workings and systems among other things, and I'm saying this having started and partaken in some of those discussions.

I've been in the Vs debating scene since Moviecodec was around and I was doing this stuff in the Outskirts Battledome before I jumped ship to this site. From my experience in the Outskirts Battledome, now known as Fanverse, the OBD based their entire lifting strength scale on this Marvel trading card, and I mean down to a T except for renaming Enhanced Human to Superhuman:

This site is different in that compared to that same trading card above (the one the OBD held like a gospel, at least back when I was a regular on that site; their wiki's ratings imply that they're trying to loosen up), not only are people here more lenient with lifting strength (in that deadlifts are fine, but lifting weight over one's shoulders is preferred as I've seen many times), but there are more ratings here in general because I guess whoever made the wiki felt more categories would make our character stats easier to track or something.

Just because you hold value of one guy's opinions over those of the hundreds of others on this site (many which will probably contradict those thoughts I'm sure) doesn't mean said opinions are fact. Some of the baselines for AP here are even set to direct multiples of 10 because the people running the site felt those multiples of 10 would be easier to uphold than trying to figure out the area of a small neighborhood for Small Town level for example.

Any facts/statistics I provided here are put up to support my own opinions on what the logic is. My thoughts are not a gospel, and neither are Crab's. That's what I'm trying to get at; we're just two people, not the community at large. K?

 

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Dude, you're acting like one person matters more than, like, an entire community. Like, no. That's not how communities work. There's an entire Staff Discussion thread on this forum designed for a group of staff members to come to an agreement on certain thoughts and opinions regarding site workings and systems among other things, and I'm saying this having started and partaken in some of those discussions.

I've been in the Vs debating scene since Moviecodec was around and I was doing this stuff in the Outskirts Battledome before I jumped ship to this site. From my experience in the Outskirts Battledome, now known as Fanverse, the OBD based their entire lifting strength scale on this Marvel trading card, and I mean down to a T except for renaming Enhanced Human to Superhuman:

This site is different in that compared to that same trading card above (the one the OBD held like a gospel, at least back when I was a regular on that site; their wiki's ratings imply that they're trying to loosen up), not only are people here more lenient with lifting strength (in that deadlifts are fine, but lifting weight over one's shoulders is preferred as I've seen many times), but there are more ratings here in general because I guess whoever made the wiki felt more categories would make our character stats easier to track or something.

Just because you hold value of one guy's opinions over those of the hundreds of others on this site (many which will probably contradict those thoughts I'm sure) doesn't mean said opinions are fact. Some of the baselines for AP here are even set to direct multiples of 10 because the people running the site felt those multiples of 10 would be easier to uphold than trying to figure out the area of a small neighborhood for Small Town level for example.

Any facts/statistics I provided here are put up to support my own opinions on what the logic is. My thoughts are not a gospel, and neither are Crab's. That's what I'm trying to get at; we're just two people, not the community at large. K?

Crabwhale has provided his expertise in athletes for at least 2 threads and there's general community and staff support for him, and if he arrives rn or I dig further enough, I can show his statement on why he disapproves of the backlifts.

Thread 'Peak Human LS CRT'

Aug 21, 2023

Currently, Peak Human LS caps out at 545.2 kg due to JF Caron's hummer tire deadlift. Recently though, a man named Rauno Heinla was able to surpass this weight in the Silver Dollar Deadlift, managing to lift up 580 kg. Here's an article about it as well

This would bump up Peak Human LS by a solid 35 kg. Wouldn't change much, but it would slightly reduce the size of Class 1 (And honestly at the rate these records are being broken, I doubt we'll even need Class 1 anymore soon)

• ThePrimalHunter
• lifting strength peak human peak human physical characteristics
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Thread 'Revision to our cap of lifting strength'

Jan 23, 2023

Hello all.

It has come to my attention that we are currently using the hummer tire deadlift world record as the capstone for peak human lifting strength. This is fine. I personally believe that the standard deadlift is a better indicator of the true strength of an individual, as a hummer tire deadlift has several things going for it that make the lift easier (a bar that bends more allowing the weights to lift gradually rather all at once, an increased heigh of 15 inches to start as opposed to 9), but if we're by measuring brute weight lifted, the hummer tire functions well.

However, the...

• Crabwhale
• important lifting strength vs battles
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