Basically it just makes things pop into existence. The whole object, instantly
In case you're wondering, that character is Judgement. The feat involves her making a chain appear on people instantly
That's the thing, it was dodgeable because Helltaker predicted where they'll come from. It just straight up pops into existence for literally everyone else
Things that look instant for one character may be dodgeable for others. A much faster character would get out before the chain can manifest.
Naturally. The more literal instant is, the less scenarios will exist where a target is able to escape. Nonetheless, when talking theoretically, even an infinite speed manifestation could be avoided by immeasurable speed and such. Goes without saying that if we narrow it down to the scenarios where both characters are comparable, the one with a skill that the other perceives as instantaneous would have the edge and look unavoidable. That, however, runs in contrast to the OP's proposed question.
I think the question given context I have was referring to character's who aren't infinitely faster than Judgement tho. Like for Immeasurable, I agree. But I think the question is if characters without any unique abilities that are in a similar ballpark somehow avoid this.
Pretty much this
Teleportation. Laser keeps mentioning that
When I say instantaneous, I refer only to the materialization speed. I don't think there's a way to actually measure the speed something materializes into existence irl. Maybe a timeframe? Her moving the chains are just far faster than her. But her chains appearing into existence is the equivalent to Goku appearing out of thin air via IT.
Technically we can do the same thing with teleportation which while is instantaneous in action, does have to activated with combat speed
The problem is that this take on the question makes the doubt's very premise into a contradiction. Asking if an instantaneous move can be dodged by someone comparable is like asking if I can evade the punch of a fighter equal to me, except they are firing a gun. On paper it says A and B stand on equal grounds, while by definition they very much aren't. And teleportation wouldn't save someone from being struck by the instantaneous because reactions factor in.
To give my opinion, unless someone can see into the future, or is actually infinitely faster than the person or faster than they can react, they can't dodge it, as it materializes all at once already restraining them. Would you agree with that assertion?
Precognition would be a way, yes. That the speed gap needs to be infinite though is a logical leap. No matter how instantaneous it visually is, the attack needs statements or feats to support such a high speed rating.
I offered the alternative of simply being faster than they can even perceive you. As if they aren't able to perceive you, they wouldn't be able summon the chain around them. But generally for any normal character at their level with no special abilities like teleportation or precognition, I don't see them being able to feasibly avoid an attack spawning already restraining them. But I understand what you mean.
Yep. On board with all the things you said on this one.
And just in case, which speed value should be used in this case?
