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Do electrical attacks ignore durability?
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...So?
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1 Nobody here ever remotely argued electricity was an one shotting hax.
2. Your argument is already built under the false premise that electricity requires heavy durability to survive.
3. Humans only survive electricity because the current exits the body quickly and gets neutralized by the ground.
2. Your argument is already built under the false premise that electricity requires heavy durability to survive.
3. Humans only survive electricity because the current exits the body quickly and gets neutralized by the ground.
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As I commented above, here is the graphic of the effects of current. As I said above, 100 mA is kinda low for causing death, although too much time in contact with AC could be dangerous at ~50 mA but still having high possibilities to survive. From left to right: AC graphic and DC graphic.
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The point I was trying to make was that humans can survive electricity if the current is below a certain level. That's because our internal organs and muscles contract and/or burn once the current reaches a certain level.
How do you determine that level for the internal organs and hearts of a fictional character? Clearly, the more the current, the more dangerous it is. Which makes is exactly like AP.
How do you determine that level for the internal organs and hearts of a fictional character? Clearly, the more the current, the more dangerous it is. Which makes is exactly like AP.
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The body sends electric signals so all the organs can work in unison. A large number of electrons entering the internal body disrupts those signals, leading to the heart and some other organs being disabled. It doesn't really have to do with AP.
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@AKM What? It isn't anything like AP. Being able to tank an explosion isn't going to help you live after your brain and heart shut down.
Saying "the more the X, the more the dangerous" about any kind of hax and comparing it to AP would have the same depth and meaning.
Kep summed up the scientific angle of it very well.
Saying "the more the X, the more the dangerous" about any kind of hax and comparing it to AP would have the same depth and meaning.
Kep summed up the scientific angle of it very well.
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A large number of electrons, yeah, meaning a certain level of current. That's what I am saying. This certain level of current varies for humans, small and large animals. And fiction has got all kinds of different species of aliens and whatnot with crazy metabolism. So we are going to treat everyone by normal human standards?
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Welp, we are discussing about effects of electricity in general, not it effects in any other specie. But against an organic humaniod being whose physiology is nearly the same as human's (talking about biologically compatible for example) should be valid.
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Yeah, I'll back you up if you're talking about huge beasts or animals.
But a 10-B human will die from high amps just as much as a 5-B human.
But a 10-B human will die from high amps just as much as a 5-B human.
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With the power of necromancy, I commandeth thy thread to ariseth from the grasp of death!
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What da fu - why?
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This thread hasn't been properly resolved or concluded.
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This is an interesting thread and should ne continued, yes.
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Anyway, I think that the point of the discussion is how do we consider Superhumans' bodies. If we just consider them humans with very durable flesh and strong muscles, yes, electricity negates dura.
If we consider them like humans but with everything being multiplied to their AP, electricity wouldn't do anything to characters that have electricity flowing through their nerves at much higher voltages/amp from their brains.
If we consider them like humans but with everything being multiplied to their AP, electricity wouldn't do anything to characters that have electricity flowing through their nerves at much higher voltages/amp from their brains.
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Bump.
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I think our conclulsion was that electricity in fiction doesn't tend to show the properties it does in real life, and we can only really apply the durability negation for when it shows those properties.
But yeah realitistic electricity certainly ignores durability.
But yeah realitistic electricity certainly ignores durability.
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If that was the conclusion, then why does the Electricity Manipulation page lack the description for possible (possible as in it depends on if some of the ficional settings shows realistic properties of elecricity, which I'm sure could be added in for further description) durability negation? Weren't the entire point of this thread is due to the Electricity Manipulation page being lacking for such details? That doesn't look like the thread has properly concluded or resolved itself to me.
I'm pretty sure adding in the reasons for possible durability negation for realistic electricity (like disruption of nerves and internal organs) in that page shouldn't be too much of a change anyways, as most of fiction tends to not show such properties in real life like you've said.
I'm pretty sure adding in the reasons for possible durability negation for realistic electricity (like disruption of nerves and internal organs) in that page shouldn't be too much of a change anyways, as most of fiction tends to not show such properties in real life like you've said.
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True.
We could add this to the page:
"In real life, electricity with high amplitudes can atrophy nerves (causing paralysis) and also interfere with the functions of organs such as the heart and brai, and would likely ignore the durability of characters made out materials with enough conductivity due to this fact. However, as electricity hardly ever acts this way in fiction, this doesn't apply to electrical attacks that don't have a stated amplitude or have demonstrated these powers."
We could add this to the page:
"In real life, electricity with high amplitudes can atrophy nerves (causing paralysis) and also interfere with the functions of organs such as the heart and brai, and would likely ignore the durability of characters made out materials with enough conductivity due to this fact. However, as electricity hardly ever acts this way in fiction, this doesn't apply to electrical attacks that don't have a stated amplitude or have demonstrated these powers."
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Nice. I hope you have enough approval for such a change, because I'm looking forward to it.
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I couldn´t resist the chanceMatthew Schroeder said:
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Bump.
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I have added Dargoo's suggested text to the Electricity Manipulation page.
Should we close this thread?
Should we close this thread?
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Yeah, I think all that's needed to be said has been said here. I'll close the thread.
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