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Discussion About the Speed of Raiden Shogun And Speed Of Element Elektro (Genshin Impact)

Furina003

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After seeing Raiden Shogun's profile here.
raises the question, why does the god of lightning have a slower speed than lightning itself? Something seems is wrong.
Raiden Shogun is the embodiment of lightning and when Raiden attacked Signora, Raiden changed his form into the lightning elemental itself.
Shouldn't the Raiden Shogun get a speed at least the same as lightning itself?
I also found several statements in the game, which stated that the electro element is the lightning element.

Isn't it clear here that Keqing uses the power of the electro element but it is still mentioned as lightning speed, which means the electro element is lightning itself
which means electro is lightning itself, because kairagi uses electro power here
actually there is still more that I can show, but I think this is enough. So my intention in showing this is to prove that the electro element in Genshin Impact is lightning itself.
which is proven that there is a complete connection between electro element and lightning, and characters who are able to use the electro element are also very often said to use the power of lightning itself.
There are also electro properties in Genshin that fulfill the actual lightning properties.
In addition, Dehya and Tighnari were able to avoid lightning strikes from the sky

Maybe that's all for now, from what I've shown it might be used to consider changes in the speed of some characters in Genshin Impact atleast Massively Hypersonic+because this is the average speed of lightning.

Thank You
 
It was the case then got downgraded some time ago due to electro inconsistencies. Tho Shogun was supposed to keep her MHS+ attack speed with cloud to ground lightning, but they removed it for some reason
 
VoidGoji said:
Itu adalah kasus yang kemudian diturunkan beberapa waktu lalu karena ketidakkonsistenan elektro. Shogun seharusnya mempertahankan kecepatan serangan MHS+-nya dengan petir awan ke tanah, tetapi mereka menghapusnya karena suatu alasan
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in the case I have given it is definitely very consistent, the elements electro and lightning are just two different names but one unit.

because the electro element is the lightning element itself, so people who can use it to speed up their movements, or emit this energy will get a speed of at least mhs+
 
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Furina003 said:
After seeing Raiden Shogun's profile here.
raises the question, why does the god of lightning have a slower speed than lightning itself? Something seems is wrong.
Raiden Shogun is the embodiment of lightning and when Raiden attacked Signora, Raiden changed his form into the lightning elemental itself.
Shouldn't the Raiden Shogun get a speed at least the same as lightning itself?
I also found several statements in the game, which stated that the electro element is the lightning element.

Isn't it clear here that Keqing uses the power of the electro element but it is still mentioned as lightning speed, which means the electro element is lightning itself
which means electro is lightning itself, because kairagi uses electro power here

actually there is still more that I can show, but I think this is enough. So my intention in showing this is to prove that the electro element in Genshin Impact is lightning itself.
which is proven that there is a complete connection between electro element and lightning, and characters who are able to use the electro element are also very often said to use the power of lightning itself.
There are also electro properties in Genshin that fulfill the actual lightning properties.
In addition, Dehya and Tighnari were able to avoid lightning strikes from the sky

Maybe that's all for now, from what I've shown it might be used to consider changes in the speed of some characters in Genshin Impact atleast Massively Hypersonic+because this is the average speed of lightning.

Thank You
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Try reading this:
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@VeryGoofyToddler2 seems to have made a mistake then. Should we revert their edits until their revision has been clearly accepted? Ultima literally said 0 and High 1-A+ was clear and cut. Here. This is supported by other mods as well. I don't know why this is being brought to attention...
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Voidnether said:
Try reading this:
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@VeryGoofyToddler2 seems to have made a mistake then. Should we revert their edits until their revision has been clearly accepted? Ultima literally said 0 and High 1-A+ was clear and cut. Here. This is supported by other mods as well. I don't know why this is being brought to attention...
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has anyone changed it without permission?
 
Furina003 said:
has anyone changed it without permission?
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Aernasilver was granted permission by Bambu himself to revert MHS+ rating to Hypersonic (only scales to God Tiers though) and in the process obviously something like MHS+ Attack Speed for Raiden Shogun & Ei & Neuvillette gets reverted back to Hypersonic.. I mean I could revert those back since they're already accepted, you could argue Scaramouche for having MHS+ Attack Speed too but it definitely wouldn't scale to others because not all lightning is CtG lightning. That's what been accepted before regardless and Tighnari dodging Scaramouche's lightning is vague and it couldn't be used as he was also paralyzed by the lightning too.

But the context to your question is, Puppet43 thought Aernasilver was vandalizing when he wasn't.
 
Voidnether said:
Aernasilver was granted permission by Bambu himself to revert MHS+ rating to Hypersonic (only scales to God Tiers though) and in the process obviously something like MHS+ Attack Speed for Raiden Shogun & Ei & Neuvillette gets reverted back to Hypersonic.. I mean I could revert those back since they're already accepted, you could argue Scaramouche for having MHS+ Attack Speed too but it definitely wouldn't scale to others because not all lightning is CtG lightning. That's what been accepted before regardless and Tighnari dodging Scaramouche's lightning is vague and it couldn't be used as he was also paralyzed by the lightning too.

But the context to your question is, Puppet43 thought Aernasilver was vandalizing when he wasn't.
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The context of my discussion is different from the previous discussion, Previously, discussed the speed of Elemental Electro and Lightning, which are two different things, Here I discuss the electro element is lightning itself is, because many of the characters mentioned always use the power of the electro element and it is also called the power of lightning. which means the electro element is lightning itself. so, 440.000,00 m/s s the right speed for this case, electricity does not have a consistent speed like light, there is even electricity that can move this fast. Therefore, it is agreed that electricity/lightning has an average speed of 440,000 m/s
 
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Furina003 said:
The context of my discussion is different from the previous discussion, Previously, discussed the speed of Elemental Electro and Lightning, which are two different things, Here I discuss the electro element is lightning itself is, because many of the characters mentioned always use the power of the electro element and it is also called the power of lightning. which means the electro element is lightning itself
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Read Bambu's arguments, I gave you that earlier. Except if you can prove that Electro is CtG lightning then this entire discussion is basically useless..
We had many arguments for it just to be rejected, lmao
 
Voidnether said:
Read Bambu's arguments, I gave you that earlier. Except if you can prove that Electro is CtG lightning then this entire discussion is basically useless..
We had many arguments for it just to be rejected, lmao
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which means the electro element is lightning itself. so, 440.000,00 m/s s the right speed for this case, electricity does not have a consistent speed like light, there is even electricity that can move this fast. Therefore, it is agreed that electricity/lightning has an average speed of 440,000 m/s

This is what I discuss here, and the elemental nature of electro indeed fulfills the nature of electricity/lightning itself, you can read this
 
Furina003 said:
which means the electro element is lightning itself. so, 440.000,00 m/s s the right speed for this case, electricity does not have a consistent speed like light, there is even electricity that can move this fast. Therefore, it is agreed that electricity/lightning has an average speed of 440,000 m/s

This is what I discuss here, and the elemental nature of electro indeed fulfills the nature of electricity/lightning itself
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And precisely that was the problem in the text that I bolded, if it's not consistent then it wouldn't be 440,000 m/s which means they vary in speed and the result would just be unknown.
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@VeryGoofyToddler2 seems to have made a mistake then. Should we revert their edits until their revision has been clearly accepted? Ultima literally said 0 and High 1-A+ was clear and cut. Here. This is supported by other mods as well. I don't know why this is being brought to attention...
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Read what Bambu said, this discussion isn't going anywhere if this entire discussion wasn't about responding to that..
 
You should understand what the word "average" means, 440,000 m/s is the average of these inconsistent numbers.
so for example the wind speed in 5 places is 10,20,50,80,70 m/s

then the average is 46 m/s

So, for example, if a character is informed that he is able to move at the speed of the wind in that place, then the best speed to use is not 10 or 80 but 46 m/s, because this is the average wind speed in that place.
 
Furina003 said:
You should understand what the word "average" means, 440,000 m/s is the average of these inconsistent numbers.
so for example the wind speed in 5 places is 10,20,50,80,70 m/s

then the average is 46 m/s

So, for example, if a character is informed that he is able to move at the speed of the wind in that place, then the best speed to use is not 10 or 80 but 46 m/s, because this is the average wind speed in that place.
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And speed of light isn't the average speed as it's 299,792,458 m/s, this is flawed by itself because it was accepted that MHS+ is only 440,000 m/s and lightning that comes from cloud doesn't get higher than that..
 
Voidnether said:
And speed of light isn't the average speed as it's 299,792,458 m/s, this is flawed by itself because it was accepted that MHS+ is only 440,000 m/s and lightning that comes from cloud doesn't get higher than that..
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Am I right in saying that the speed is light on average?
and why are you discussing the speed of light? Here I discuss the speed of electricity/lightning which has an average of 440,000 m/s
 
Furina003 said:
Am I right in saying that the speed is light on average?
and why are you discussing the speed of light? Here I discuss the speed of electricity/lightning which has an average of 440,000 m/s
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Speed of electricity/lightning on an average IS NOT 440,000 m/s, it's the maximum speed.
The same way could be said for the speed of light, it's not that hard.
 
Yeah but not all electro attacks are the average lightning speed.

The only one that Mr Bambu accepted was the CTG ones. Which no one can dodge.
 
Furina003 said:
hmm brother, you can read here "we use the average lightning speed of 4.4×105 m/s (Mach 1282.798834),"
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Well, if that was the case.. It's still wrong to assume that it would be the average lightning speed despite the fact CtG lightning is just average lightning speed regardless.

To assume that it would be an average lightning speed instead of something that would be "varies in speed" or just "unknown" is borderline headcanon. I experienced this myself, even assuming that the entirety of Honkai: Star Rail moves at atleast the speed of light (like IPC's workers projectile or Silver Wolf) is also borderline headcanon even though the multiverse is literally a 12 dimensional civilization with Low 1-A in it because it's confirmed to be bigger than HI3's cosmology and all of them has MFTL+ feats easily. It's still borderline headcanon unfortunately.
 
Woomica said:
Cukup periksa utas ini tentang kecepatan petir dan mhs https://vsbattles.com/threads/is-electro-lightning-speed-genshin-impact.169507

https://vsbattles.com/threads/genshin-impact-cooking-in-speed-and-serangan-potensi.172310/
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Okay thanks. But first I apologize, actually I created this thread because I was doubtful about what was explained there, I wanted to ask directly there, I was afraid it would be wrong because the discussion there was already finished, so I created a separate discussion page.

simple question, can a speed of 440,000 m/s only be achieved by lightning from the sky? Meanwhile, Genshin's electro elemental is able to emit real lightning because it meets the criteria here. So the lightning that emits Genshin characters must be real lightning.
If we consider that the lightning emitted by the Genshin character does not have the speed of lightning, because it does not come from the sky. it's the same as: for example, if we say someone is able to emit light but the light does not have the speed of light because it does not come from something that is capable of producing actual light even though the light meets the criteria for light in general.
So in my opinion lightning will always have lightning speed if the lightning meets the criteria for genuine lightning, even though the lightning is not emitted from the sky.
 
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Furina003 said:
okey thankyou. but first I apologize, actually I made this thread because I was doubtful about what was explained there, I wanted to ask directly there, I was afraid of making a mistake because the discussion there was already finished, so I made a separate discussion page.

simple question, can a speed of 440,000 m/s only be achieved by lightning from the sky? while Genshin's electro elemental is capable of emitting real lightning
because it meets the criteria here , So the lightning that the Genshin character emits should be real lightning.
If we think that the lightning emitted by the Genshin character does not have lightning speed, because it doesn't come from the sky. that's the same as for example if we say a person is able to shoot light but the light doesn't have the speed of light because it doesn't come from something that is capable of producing real light even though the light meets the criteria light in general.
So I think lightning will always get lightning speed if the lightning meets the criteria for real lightning, even though the lightning is not emitted from the sky
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you should then make a content revision thread and use the arguments you have to try and make electro in genshin mhs
but as far as i saw i think it got accepted but the feats presented (mostly CTG) were not an actual lightning feats that could be used so idk, maybe if you succeed we will get mhs combat and reaction speed
 
Woomica said:
you should then make a content revision thread and use the arguments you have to try and make electro in genshin mhs
but as far as i saw i think it got accepted but the feats presented (mostly CTG) were not an actual lightning feats that could be used so idk, maybe if you succeed we will get mhs combat and reaction speed
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I'm pretty sure what's been debated here is if the MHS+ rating is actually consistent, because obviously other than CtG lightning it already sufficies but again there are anti-feats that those CtG lightning isn't even CtG and pretty sure other requirements than CtG was also demonstrated but there are anti-feats for them.

Personally, I'm not discussing these but the main problem is how consistent are they and if we actually consider game mechanics to be canon lmao
 
Woomica said:
you should then make a content revision thread and use the arguments you have to try and make electro in genshin mhs
but as far as i saw i think it got accepted but the feats presented (mostly CTG) were not an actual lightning feats that could be used so idk, maybe if you succeed we will get mhs combat and reaction speed
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okay thanks, I'll try it later
 
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