Dio (Jorge joestar) Have a Made in Heaven

[Hypercyber37]

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Jorge Joestar Dio Get Made in Heaven

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The true capabilities of Made in Heaven Ultimate Requiem and how it differs from the regular Made in Heaven are not clearly depicted, but it appears to accelerate time faster than the original. Dio Brando uses it to escape to another universe where he can find a new body.

Agree: @Rutæhh @Bernkastelll
Disagree: @JustANormalPerson01
Neutral: @Nemu13

 

[Rutæhh]

this can also qualify for dimensional travel as well

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Infinite speed is straightforward.

Dimensional Travel is a no. Universes in JORGE JOESTAR work the way that they are just a single timeline, which consists of consecutive big bangs and big crunches that end one universe and borns the next.

The way to travel back from one universe to another is to speed forward/back time, not travelling across dimensions (unlike travel between different universes).

Edit: Nvm, I thought this was for Kars.

No, DIO should not get Made in Heaven, as the only reason he obtained it was because he temporary possessed it to travel back in time. He only possessed it, travelled back in time and stopped possessing him. It is not his stand, and his control over it was for, at best, 1 or 2 pages.

Iirc, it was a plot help from Beyond for him not to die on that moment.

And, hell, pretty sure that when DIO had Made in Heaven, he had lost The World, so at best it'd grant a different key, or a note on its profiles warranting he cannot use both stands at the same time.

Though, again, I disagree with giving DIO MIH FRA

 

[Hypercyber37]

Infinite speed is straightforward.

Dimensional Travel is a no. Universes in JORGE JOESTAR work the way that they are just a single timeline, which consists of consecutive big bangs and big crunches that end one universe and borns the next.

The way to travel back from one universe to another is to speed forward/back time, not travelling across dimensions (unlike travel between different universes).

Edit: Nvm, I thought this was for Kars.

No, DIO should not get Made in Heaven, as the only reason he obtained it was because he temporary possessed it to travel back in time. He only possessed it, travelled back in time and stopped possessing him. It is not his stand, and his control over it was for, at best, 1 or 2 pages.

Iirc, it was a plot help from Beyond for him not to die on that moment.

And, hell, pretty sure that when DIO had Made in Heaven, he had lost The World, so at best it'd grant a different key, or a note on its profiles warranting he cannot use both stands at the same time.

Though, again, I disagree with giving DIO MIH FRA

He had Made in Heaven, albeit temporarily, and this stand was Inf speed. should at least get a key for this in Dio's profile

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

He did not have MIH. He controlled Kars' C-Moon, transformed it to MIH, used it to travel in time and stopped controlling it, giving Kars control back of his stand.

Edit: Quoting the novel itself:

I looked up. Made in Heaven Ultimate Requiem was floating
out beyond Antonio Torres, but there was no sign of Dio Brando.
"I can't see him, but is Dio Brando still up there?"
"No, he's gone," Cars said, breaking his silence.
"How do you know?"
"That was my Stand originally, you know? It's still out of my
control, but that effect is fading. Dio's gone, and the job he had for
it is over."
"...so you'll be able to use that Stand again?"
"There is nothing I can or cannot do."
".........."
"I see," The Funniest said. "Then we can use that Stand to
speed time up again and go to the universe where Dio is. If only we
knew where...or when...that is."
"We know that," Cars said. "My Stand remembers when Dio
left it. One universe after this one."
Funny thought for a moment. "Then we can use the Stand
above us to speed up time and catch up to Dio?"
"Yes. But why would we do that?"
"............"
"To kill Dio Brando, who has now become this 'holy man'?"
Cars grinned. "But this 'holy man' has granted you 'prosperity'. And
you have fought to protect that."
"But..." The Funniest said. "Can we really let him get away
with this?"
Funny added, "Perhaps our decision to honor him has led
to a great many of the evils in this world."
"Heh heh heh," Cars sneered. "So the prosperity your holy
man provided was merely a matter of perspective?"
"...........!"
"...........!"
"Then does it matter that the source of your prosperity was
Dio Brando? Not like your history changes."

 

[Hypercyber37]

this can also qualify for dimensional travel as well

Agreed this?

He did not have MIH. He controlled Kars' C-Moon, transformed it to MIH, used it to travel in time and stopped controlling it, giving Kars control back of his stand.

In Kars, Kira did the same thing, but Killer Queen was added to Kars's profile. Since when does this site ignore temporary keys?

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Agreed this?

As I said:

Infinite speed is straightforward.

Dimensional Travel is a no. Universes in JORGE JOESTAR work the way that they are just a single timeline, which consists of consecutive big bangs and big crunches that end one universe and borns the next.

The way to travel back from one universe to another is to speed forward/back time, not travelling across dimensions (unlike travel between different universes).

In Kars, Kira did the same thing, but Killer Queen was added to Kars's profile. Since when does this site ignore temporary keys?

Kars did not do the same thing DIO did.

DIO forcibly controlled MIHUR to travel in time, leaving him behind.

Kars social influenced Killer Queen to leave Kira and become his instead. Reason why it is on his profile

 

[Hypercyber37]

As I said:


Kars did not do the same thing DIO did.

DIO forcibly controlled MIHUR to travel in time, leaving him behind.

Kars social influenced Killer Queen to leave Kira and become his instead. Reason why it is on his profile

Using it temporarily is enough to add a key.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Problem is, DIO cannot access to MIHUR itself. What he did is more of mind Control than anything else.

You wouldn't say DIO has a key in which he has Pilnareff and Kakyoin as Standard Equipment just because he was mind controlling them in that instance

The same applies here. DIO can't summon MIHUR at will, he just mind controlled Kars' MIHUR. As thus, it does not warrant a key

Giving DIO said key will not only not make sense, but also be contradictory with the story itself, as Kars claimed that no one but him can withstand the ultimate stands he makes

 

[Hypercyber37]

Problem is, DIO cannot access to MIHUR itself. What he did is more of mind Control than anything else.

You wouldn't say DIO has a key in which he has Pilnareff and Kakyoin as Standard Equipment just because he was mind controlling them in that instance

The same applies here. DIO can't summon MIHUR at will, he just mind controlled Kars' MIHUR. As thus, it does not warrant a key

Giving DIO said key will not only not make sense, but also be contradictory with the story itself, as Kars claimed that no one but him can withstand the ultimate stands he makes

There is a place for mind control in profiles... It's okay if you disagree, but you're taking it too long.... I've already added you to "disagree"

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

There is a place for mind control in profiles...

Yeah, putting it as an ability.

Pretty sure no profile adds the people someone mind controls as standard equipment. DIO should not be different.

As I said, what you are purposing is no different than adding Kakyoin's abilities to DIO's profile in a new tabber, "With Kakyoin" because DIO mind controlled Kakyoin for some time.

It's okay if you disagree, but you're taking it too long.... I've already added you to "disagree"

I'm explaining the reason why this doesn't work, which helps for new people not to bring the same arguments again and understand my position of disagreement.

Debunking your arguments isn't "taking something too long"

 

[Hypercyber37]

Yeah, putting it as an ability.

Pretty sure no profile adds the people someone mind controls as standard equipment. DIO should not be different.

As I said, what you are purposing is no different than adding Kakyoin's abilities to DIO's profile in a new tabber, "With Kakyoin" because DIO mind controlled Kakyoin for some time.

I'm explaining the reason why this doesn't work, which helps for new people not to bring the same arguments again and understand my position of disagreement.

Debunking your arguments isn't "taking something too long"

Didn't you refute anything? Kars added the stand he controlled to his profile (Killer Queen). As I said, you have already been added to "Disagree"

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Didn't you refute anything? Kars added the stand he controlled to his profile (Killer Queen). As I said, you have already been added to "Disagree"

Kars did not do the same thing DIO did.

DIO forcibly controlled MIHUR to travel in time, leaving him behind.

Kars social influenced Killer Queen to leave Kira and become his instead. Reason why it is on his profile

 

[Hypercyber37]

What makes you think this is debunked? The characters you can "control" can already be placed in profiles, and stands are even put in the equipment category. It's kind of like stealing your gun and using it.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

What makes you think this is debunked? The characters you can "control" can already be placed in profiles

Please, show me where, exactly? Because I don't remember any profile having characters they temporally control but are not theirs be part of their profile. For example:

Canon DIO not having Kakyoin nor Polnareff
Ainz not having all people he can control as equipment

, and stands are even put in the equipment category. It's kind of like stealing your gun and using it.

Let's see:

Equipment listed as standard should be equipment the character has access to in a majority of their canon appearances

So, it wouldn't be standard equipment. Now let's see about optional equipment:

This is not to be confused with Optional Equipment, which can encompass anything that the character has owned or made use of for an extended period of time, regardless of whether or not it's usually on their person.

Which is not the case of DIO's controlling MIHUR, as his usage was for an event that occupied at best 2 pages in the novel.

And even if you want to add it as optional equipment, you should note that DIO lost The World before possessing MIHUR.

"If you want it all that much, then let's do this!" Cars cried,
and flitted down to Dio's level. Dio's The World Ultimate came out,
but it was Cars' White Snake Ultimate that fought it.
Splat! White Snake Ultimate punched Dio's cheek, and Dio
staggered back. A disc flew out of his head and fell to the ground,
where it shattered, and The World Ultimate standing beside him
fell apart, dissolving.

Since you are making a parallelism with Kars getting Killer Queen, let's see that scene in depth:

Spoiler: Long text

"Heh, all you can do is grunt? And even that is because you
persist in trying to protect your tedious pride. Even though you
long since gave up on trying to protect your talent. Heh heh heh. I
see right through you. Deep down in your heart, you're envious of
that talent. You're annoyed it exists. You want to believe you're this
amazing person, but what actually gets results is the one standing
next to you. This is the inherent sin of all Stands. They take human
forms, stand right beside you, and prove that your personality and
talent are unrelated."
"...........!"
Having brow-beaten Kira into silence, Cars turned back to
Killer Queen. "It seems your Master's vanity had left him immobile.
So let me ask you. Set one of those bombs that turn back time on
your Master."
Killer Queen stared at Cars, and then went back inside Kira.
"Stop...! How can you listen to him...!" Kira said, but Killer
Queen ignored him, vanishing from view.
"You are now a bomb," Cars said. He picked Kira up. "Come,
Stand Master. Once again, you survive...all because your talent is
distinct from you. Pampered humans are but so much baggage."
The abuse had Kira shaking, tears in his eyes, but Cars just
grabbed him bodily, sprouted wings, and took off towards the sky.
He was beautiful. If only I had wings! I thought, but they wouldn't
look half as good on me, so I figured I was better off without.
As Cars wheeled above us, Funny Valentine called up to
him. "Wait, Cars! Let me do what I can to ease your burden! Such
as it is."

And with that Cars, flew higher, and with Killer Queen by
his side, flew through Antonio Torres' half-dead mouth, and out of
the rhinoceros beetle's armor.

The speed quickly
grew faster, and smoother. The moon and sun rose backwards
across the sky, and fell. The speed grew even faster. Which meant
Cars was making Kira's Bites the Dust blow him up more often

All in all, Kars made Killer Queen betray his master and become his stand instead.

Something that is not even near to what DIO did: just temporally manipulate others' stand without said stand being his. Thus, aligning with it being part of his standard equipment:

Standard Equipment refers to a set of items that a character can be expected to have on hand at any time.

 

[Rutæhh]

Infinite speed is straightforward.

Dimensional Travel is a no. Universes in JORGE JOESTAR work the way that they are just a single timeline, which consists of consecutive big bangs and big crunches that end one universe and borns the next.

The way to travel back from one universe to another is to speed forward/back time, not travelling across dimensions (unlike travel between different universes).

Edit: Nvm, I thought this was for Kars.

No, DIO should not get Made in Heaven, as the only reason he obtained it was because he temporary possessed it to travel back in time. He only possessed it, travelled back in time and stopped possessing him. It is not his stand, and his control over it was for, at best, 1 or 2 pages.

Iirc, it was a plot help from Beyond for him not to die on that moment.

And, hell, pretty sure that when DIO had Made in Heaven, he had lost The World, so at best it'd grant a different key, or a note on its profiles warranting he cannot use both stands at the same time.

Though, again, I disagree with giving DIO MIH FRA

Ah I didnt know, thanks for this

agree with inf speed

 

[Bernkastelll]

That's very easy

Jorge Joestar Dio Get Made in Heaven

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The true capabilities of Made in Heaven Ultimate Requiem and how it differs from the regular Made in Heaven are not clearly depicted, but it appears to accelerate time faster than the original. Dio Brando uses it to escape to another universe where he can find a new body.

Agree: @Rutæhh
Disagree: @JustANormalPerson01
Neutral:

I agree

 

[Nemu13]

Neutral for me

 

[Chariot190]

That's very easy

Jorge Joestar Dio Get Made in Heaven

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The true capabilities of Made in Heaven Ultimate Requiem and how it differs from the regular Made in Heaven are not clearly depicted, but it appears to accelerate time faster than the original. Dio Brando uses it to escape to another universe where he can find a new body.

Agree: @Rutæhh @Bernkastelll
Disagree: @JustANormalPerson01
Neutral: @Nemu13

This is so ultra out of context holy hell.

He didn't get it, he just stabbed Kars' Whitesnake with the Arrow, and forced it to move him to a different loop. He had it for like, literally a page, and fact is he never actually "had it" (Kars even says it was his Stand the whole time, so he still knew what it was doing and where Dio went), moreso forced it into using its power, which he just exploited for his own gain. That is not the same as Kars actively convincing Killer Queen to join him as an fyi, Killer Queen became Kars for all intents and purposes, MIH just went AWOL for like 5 seconds.