Dio (Heaven Ascension) vs Maltruant (Ben 10)

[Gohanblanco217]

• win by death or ko or incap
• Dio pre-absorption key is being used
• Both in character
• Random encounter
• Location : Morioh city
• Fight start at 15 meters away from each other
• Both at their strongest
• Speed equal

Dio : 8

Maltruant :

 

[Dragonite007]

maltruat don`t resist time stop or RW

 

[Gohanblanco217]

maltruat don`t resist time stop or RW

And ? Same goes for Dio he doesn't resist any of Maltruant abilities and especially not the massive ap advantage

 

[Dragonite007]

Cool, so Dio stop time and hust EE or RW

 

[Spectral69420]

Does Dio start with timestop?

 

[Chariot190]

Does Dio start with timestop?

It do be Dio. He uses it to get close to land reality warping, escape attacks, create distance or sometimes for the **** of it.

Edit: Dio uses 2-A BFR a lot actually tho and teleportation too.

 

[Chariot190]

Actually, Dio highkey blitzes.

TWOH is equal to GER, who can nothin personnel a MFTL dude. He can also throw hands with an even stronger than peak Plat who's also pretty notably above MFTL dude.

Dio and TWOH can basically match dudes who are fast enough they blitz MFTL.

 

[Gohanblanco217]

Actually, Dio highkey blitzes.

TWOH is equal to GER, who can nothin personnel a MFTL dude. He can also throw hands with an even stronger than peak Plat who's also pretty notably above MFTL dude.

Dio and TWOH can basically match dudes who are fast enough they blitz MFTL.

Alright speed equal then

 

[segetero]

Dio still time stops and reality overwrites immediately. My vote goes to dio

 

[Gohanblanco217]

Dio still time stops and reality overwrites immediately. My vote goes to dio

I'm pretty sure that in character Maltruant immediately use Time stop as well

 

[Chariot190]

I'm pretty sure that in character Maltruant immediately use Time stop as well

Dio's is layered btw, Jotaro can't see or act when Dio uses his. From his perspective it's just a white flash and Dio's wherever else now.

In contrast, Jotaro can see and act in Part 3 Dio's timestop just fine as long as he uses his own (And I mean that in the game itself too, only Heaven Dio's timestop is unseeable).

 

[IamMadeOutOfStone]

damn, a over heaven dio match?, well, since DIO will be likely to move in time stop, TWOH one shots Maltruant via RW or EE, voting on gay vampire

 

[Gohanblanco217]

Dio's is layered btw, Jotaro can't see or act when Dio uses his. From his perspective it's just a white flash and Dio's wherever else now.

In contrast, Jotaro can see and act in Part 3 Dio's timestop just fine as long as he uses his own (And I mean that in the game itself too, only Heaven Dio's timestop is unseeable).

Well Maltruant is superior to clockwork who can use his time abilities on a bomb that destroy time itself on a Multiversal+ scale...is that enough ?

 

[Chariot190]

No? That's just range.
And the bomb part means nothing on its own.
he doesnt even resist time stop so it doesnt even matter how many layers Dio has, 1 would work, yet inversely Dio does resist time stop.

 

[DemonicDude]

It's all fun and games until Greenshifter shows up

 

[Gohanblanco217]

Greenshifter use "wank over Heaven" and make Maltruant win the match

 

[Greenshifter]

Yeah so different timelines are out of sync with each other and what not in Ben 10, making Clockwork's feat way above baseline. Assuming it isn't Low 1-C under the currently accepted cosmology. So Maltruant just time stops and oneshots Dio.

Also yeah reversing time on something which doesn't have time by itself is already stupidly potent.

 

[Chariot190]

The **** are talking about? That isn't how layered hax works?

Being out of synch is not the same as having layered potency, it just means the dude has cracked range. Not withstanding Dio is the dude with time stop resistance, not Maltruant (Dio's is layered btw).

Also having big cosmology, again, is not potency, it's just range. You could be able to stop a trillion universes all running on different time flows, or a 10m localized AOE, the former isn't more potent than the latter.

 

[Greenshifter]

The **** are talking about? That isn't how layered hax works?

It kinda does, it's more difficult to affect/stop/reverse multiple timelines than a single one, especially in Ben 10, thus it's more potent.

Then again Ig that reasoning got shafted for stuff like mindhax too so whatever I guess. Still doesn't take away the second part of my argument.

 

[Chariot190]

Also yeah reversing time on something which doesn't have time by itself is already stupidly potent.

TWOH > GER who did that to literal nonexistent time so like

It kinda does, it's more difficult to affect/stop/reverse multiple timelines than a single one, especially in Ben 10, thus it's more potent.

Lmao. That isn't how the wiki works. Range =/= Potency. Dio's time stop negs other time stops and bypasses resistances. maltruant's just has big dick range. We don't give potency and especially not layered hax for ******* range of all things, it simply isn't how it works.

 

[Chariot190]

Then again Ig that reasoning got shafted for stuff like mindhax too so whatever I guess. Still doesn't take away the second part of my argument.

It does because it's nothing? It just means his time can effect things without time, that doesn't make it layered just versatile and TWOH's powers >> GER's who did literally that to deleted time so like

 

[Greenshifter]

TWOH > GER who did that to literal nonexistent time so like

Doesn't GER use causality hax for that?

Lmao. That isn't how the wiki works. Range =/= Potency.

It used to at least

We don't give potency and especially not layered hax for ******* range of all things, it simply isn't how it works.

Laughs in EE and higher-D hax.

It does because it's nothing? It just means his time can effect things without time, that doesn't make it layered just versatile and TWOH's powers >> GER's who did literally that to deleted time so like

Pretty sure I'd get a good potency increase out of that on here, mindhaxing things without a mind is/was also treated as being more potent than regular mindhax for instance.

 

[Chariot190]

Doesn't GER use causality hax for that?

And yet he could still reverse literal nonexistent time itself (Like literally "Why is the erased time reversing" - actual quote).
Also Efi was supposed to give him time manip, idk what happened with that tho, he also has powernull accepted too, it just aint on ther as the plan is to just toss all the accepted shit on there with the rest of the shit in the overhaul.
Which is just to say, so? Effecting something that doesnt exist aint new, and Dio can powernull that type of stuff anyway. This just makes his time stop able to effect more things, but it doesn't make it any more potent.

It used to at least

It hasnt for years brother, it's why Hit's or other localized time stop isnt absolute dogshit anymore. It's just a AOE thing, unless you affecting higher D time or whatever.

Laughs in EE and higher-D hax.

Higher D hax is the exception because it's higher D. And for EE, well, we actually don't. Unless it too is affecting higher D stuff. There's been some arguments about that lately too definitely ebcause of zeno tbh

Pretty sure I'd get a good potency increase out of that on here, mindhaxing things without a mind is/was also treated as being more potent than regular mindhax for instance.

Pretty sure like as of last month that was deemed sus. Wiki decided that was stupid and either inconsistent, just a extra ability or whatever.

Being able to affect the time of something that lacks it isn't potency, it just means it can affect something that lacks it, it doesn't magically make it +1 layers, or +10000000 layers. it just how it be.

Anyway, as it stands, Dio has the funny +1 time stop, Maltruant does not.

 

[Greenshifter]

Alright alright Dio FRA.

Higher D hax is the exception because it's higher D.

Literally an extreme case of "more range" brutha

 

[Pedonar]

Dio FRA

 

[Gohanblanco217]

Alright alright Dio FRA

So greenshifter wank over Heaven didn't work then

 

[Greenshifter]

Nope, Chariot RtZ’d it

 

[StekFence]

Dio fra

 

[AThe1412]

MUDAMUDAMUDAMUDA FRA.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Dio FRA

 

[Gohanblanco217]

Nope, Chariot RtZ’d it

Then chariot officially scales higher than Alien x

 

[Gohanblanco217]

Bump

 

[segetero]

Can this match be added?