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Dio Brando vs Rabbit

Plus if he gets frozen he can just have Dragon, Monkey, and Boar hold Dio off while Snake thaws him out
 
He can try but the Zombies are much, much stronger than him and capable of severely damaging opponents stronger than Dio, plus they all have ranged options

The eye lasers splitting clouds is a massive outlier that we dont accept here as its anime exclusive and thus non-canon
 
This fight is so one-sided, it's almost laughable. I love both characters, but it's pretty clear that Dio takes the fight, even if Usagi is allowed to have all of his "friends". All Dio has to do is stop time, waltz right on over to Usagi, and snap his neck. Boom.
 
Even if it was part 1 Dio, he would still win to me. Bullets won't do jack to him. His only real problem would be dealing with Monkey and possibly Snake, but other than that, I don't really see him losing here.
 
Boar's bullets are 8-C+ to a higher level than Dio, they will absolutely mess him up
 
Dio is fighting like 4-5 people who can all devastate him in combat that he has no real way of killing. how exactly does he win?
 
When Dio first turned into a vampire, four cops shot at him multiple times at once, and then got shot by Speedwagon. That wasn't enough to kill him. Boar can try and continue to shoot if she wants to, but Dio just needs to wait it out and heal himself afterwards. I'm saying that these guys had to get creative in order to try and kill him, but he still came out as nothing more than a head and still wo. So let's say that Boar decides to begin with an opening volley, right? If both speed is equalized, but the zombies are not, Dio can just dodge the bullets and get close enough to Boar to freeze her and shatter her to pieces. Next would be Snake, Dio's 2nd threat. Sunlight is definitely a weakness, as well as fire, but Dio's not just gonna stand there and let Snake attack him. All he really has to do is keep himself off the ground so that Snake can't track him with Earth's Guidance. Dragon is literally just a bisected body, and though he can fly too, not once did he try to use his ice thrower on Ox or Tiger, and you'd think that he would. Dio can just destroy the tank on his back and leave it useless. Lastly is Monkey, the strongest one. She's clearly no joke when it comes to brute strength, and would probably use the area around her, (or Snake's head) to distract him long enough to let Usagi have some kind of opening. Even if that happens, Dio has two options; either take out the zombies first, or kill Usagi first. Not to mention he's also immortal, there's no real way of finishing Dio off for good, if Usagi goes as far to kill himself first, but that would be a dumb move. If Usagi does become zombiefied, he is extremely slow and more predictable. The only way Usagi has a chance is to hold off long enough to lure Dio outside when the sun rises.
 
Shrugging off 9-C bullets from normal guns means nothing against 8-C+ bullets that even other 8-C+s outright state would absolutely shred them if they were hit.

Zombies get equal speed yes.

Shattering Boar to pieces wouldnt kill her it would just make her able to attack as hundreds of pieces each with 8-C+ AP.

He didnt use the icethrower because Rabbit told him not to.

Dragon's icethrower would reduce Dio to dust which is well beyond his ability to regenerate, and Monkey's senjutsu can disintegrate him.
 
Not to mention if dio assumes boar's guns won't hurt him, which is likely, he'll get ripped to bits and boar can just keep hosing him with bullets while he tries to regenerate keeping him a pile of mush till sunrise.
 
If the zombies get equalized speed, that's just simply inaccurate. The fastest we've ever seen them move is when Snake and Dragon fought Ox and Tiger, and even they weren't enough to put them down. Boar's bullets as demonstrated in the anime, shot at a large block/piece of a building debris (part of the building was destroyed by a bomb planted by Monkey or Sheep, depending on the timeline), with Rat hiding behind it, and that would've taken at least a couple of minutes if she were truly large building level, and that's without Non-Reload. Her bullets' power is also demonstrated again when she tried shooting at Chicken, and it only destroyed part of the railing on a highway bridge and put 24 bullets in. Non-Reload was shown against a swarm of birds, which easily overwhelmed Boar, and then ate her body. Shattering Boar won't kill her, sure, but it will leave her immoblized to the point where she can't use her guns anymore. Tiger literally froze both of the twins, and when they tried to move, they broke into pieces, and shattered to the ground, killing them both permanently. Liquid hydrogen does not reduce the body to dust and even if Dragon were to try that, Dio froze his own body before and hadn't been reduced to dust. Monkey is still the biggest threat, and her biggest feats were slicing a boulder in half, throwing Snake's head at arguably supersonic speed at a ridiculous altitude to distract Dragon, and launch Usagi in the air at the same strength. Monkey's boulder slicing has never been demonstrated against a Human, much less a vampire. Even if Usagi were to try and bisect Dio like Jonathan sliced him in half, Dio can regenerate at a faster speed, unlike Usagi, who needs outside assistance to put himself back together, and not even close to perfectly. This fight would also depend if it is indoors or outdoors, both of which could definitely turn the tides of the fight. As I said before, if Usagi and his friends survive long enough against Dio until the sun comes up, then they win. If not, they're as good as dead. Again.
 
Boar's bullets killed Rabbit in an alternate timeline and One Man Army amped Chicken (Who destroyed a building on accident) admitted that Boar would have shredded her with her bullets.

Dio's vaporization freezing is not even remotely comparable to Dragon's liquid hydrogen (not nitrogen, hydrogen) gun. Dio's freezing is -4 degrees Celsius, Dragon's is 252.87 degrees Celsius. Dio's freezing wont put them down.

Monkey's feat was calculated to be High Hypersonic, not supersonic, and her boulder shattering feat is 8-C+.
 
Even so, Boar's bullets would have shredded a Human, not a vampire. And if it is true that Dio's Regenerationn is comparable to Straizo who got blown to bits with grenades, then that shouldn't be too much of a problem.

Though Dragon's Liquid Hydrogen can freeze below -252.87 degrees, not once had he used it during the tournament, and he could have used it when he was still alive, but didn't. In both timelines, neither Ox nor Usagi let him have a chance to use it, and he was killed easily. Dio wouldn't have a problem using his Stingy Ripper Eyes, (which easily pierces through flesh and slices through columns), to destroy the tank and leave it useless, also giving Dio the advantage with range.

Another advantage is that since there is no prior knowledge or prep time, Usagi wouldn't realize that Dio is a vampire, and though he is a quick thinker, he has to get real creative to try and kill him to make him another friend. If he decides to strike first, he'd be in trouble when he realizes that Dio is already immortal and stabbing him in the heart, or bisecting him won't do anything but just piss him off. These zombies are just regular people, and Dio has killed regular people before with little to no effort, and though Monkey may be 8-C+, Usagi never let her go too crazy, and she needs to be in close range. Ox stated himself that when he was pinned to the ground by her, she could've shattered his bones and killed him herself if she really wanted, but didn't because Usagi wanted to kill Ox himself. He could have won the entire tournament himself if he let Monkey go buckwild on Ox and Tiger, but his own mind was obsessed with building a larger army, that he put himself in a position where he ultimately lost to Rat and a bomb.
 
Said vampire is less durable than the human, therefore it would shred the vampire. Youre right on the regen though.

He didnt use it because, again, Rabbit told him not to. In his backstory he is shown to be perfectly willing to use it against his enemies.

The zombies arent regular people my dude theyre all physically stronger than Dio and have arguably better survivability.
 
What do you mean? In terms of surviving, Dio far outclasses the zombies in terms of survival. He's been shot, sliced, decapitated, set on fire, and even survived an explosion on a boat as a head. The argument with Boar's bullets shredding Usagi may be a possibility, but it never happened because that was a strategy played in her head, not an alternate timeline, and though the tournament allowed prep time, it didn't allow prior knowledge, and the other warriors only knew a handful of each others abilities through previous interactions, their own abilities, or simply rumors. Boar only recognized Ox, Chicken, Dog, Tiger, Monkey, Sheep, and the Tatsumi Brothers. She had no prior knowledge of Horse, Rat, or Rabbit. Her overconfidence and underestimisation of him got her killed. According to Rat, the only timeline that mentioned killing Usagi was where he and Usagi teamed up and got themselves killed by Horse due to the Rat screwing things up.


When I was referring to Dragon not using his ice thrower, I was talking about when he was alive, and on his own free will. He chose to sit out on the fight and then try to make his move after more than half of the participants were dead. It also doesn't make much sense to let Snake use his flame thrower on Rat or Tiger and not let Dragon use his ice thrower. Though zombies no longer have physical limits or stamina, they are still former shells of humans. I will agree that Usagi's friends may be harder to put down, but in the Jojo universe, zombies are lesser beings and minions to the vampire. Dio can just conjure up a number of his minions to outnumber Boar, Snake, Dragon, and Monkey and keep them distracted enough to take away from Dio and let him fight Usagi one on one.


Without prep time also depends if Usagi had already killed the 4 warriors. If he is allowed to have them, then yes, Dio would have a harder time. The battle would definitely be over in seconds if neither opponent is allowed to use zombies. If that were the case, then hands dow Dio wins due to his intelligence, better arsenal, and range.
 
To kill the zombies they have to be reduced to dust but unlike the Zombies Dio cant make lost limbs fight on their own and has to rely on regenerating.

He used it numerous times of his own free will, hell had Rabbit not killed him he was going to kill both Ox and Tiger with it.

What zombies are in jojo means absolutely nothing here. It is a completely different verse with different feats and different mechanics. Saying that the zombies in Zodiac War are weak because zombies in Jojo are weak is a huge fallacy and it doesnt fly here.
 
Clearly you haven't paid attention to the Ox and Tiger fight. Zombies in the Zodiac War world are killed by fire or liquid hydroge. Slicing them into pieces may buy time, but that will not kill them.

Even if Dio relied on Regenerationn, his is at a much faster rate and can heal in seconds in contrast to Usagi's Regenerationn, who I have mentioned before needs outside assistance to regenerate, and is very slow if left on his own. To put it simply, Usagi cannot put himself back together without someone's help. Also, according to the wiki, Dio ca control his detached body parts, and still remain alive as just a head, and later stole Jonathan's body. Though Usagi is definitely creative when it comes to try and kill those with his own body parts, he couldn't kill Tiger (though he was close) and was still outclassed by Ox, who rendered him immobilized and force all of his energy to try and regenerate.

That argument of Dragon is invalid. He was shown using it only one time in the past to kill a bunch of his client's enemies who were nothing more than a mob boss and crew. Not once did he use it in the Juni Taisen Tournament, nor was he given the chance to. If he really wanted to, he could have frozen Usagi at the beginning of the tournament to get back at him for killing Snake, but he didn't. In the alternate timeline where Snake and Dragon fought Ox, they both had been killed by Ox, who rivals Tiger.

The last factor is the universe they are fighting in. This heavily depends on who gets homefield advantage, but even though part 3 Dio isn't being used, he easily adapted to modern times, and had the ability to train and work with Jonathan's stolen body. Dio's ripper eyes, hypnosis, healing, fusion, Regenerationn, and power to create zombies should be more than enough to take down Usagi.
 
Both fire and liquid hydrogen ignore physical durability and burn them to dust my guy, its even stated right blatantly by Ox that fire kills them because it breaks them down on a molecular level, thats why they died to it. Anything less than that will not kill them.

Dio has only ever controlled his head, he has never shown to be able to control any other parts of his body that have been severed. Of Ox didnt finish Tiger off he would have killed her and Ox outright stated that he would not have been able to defeat Usagi in the end.

He actually was shown to have used it several times as well as having been stated to have done so in the backstory given in the novel.

As per standard battle assumptions is a neutral universe, neither has a homefield advantage and the mechanics of zombies do not carry over. Dio has NEVER used hypnosis in combat before, nor has he used fusion, though fusion would work heavily against him against Usagi's zombies.
 
That is all backstory. This tournament was supposed to be a big deal, and he never used it during said tournament, not when he was alive or when he was dead/controlled. Who's to say that without prior knowledge of Dio's backstory, Usagi most likely could have used Dragon the same way and instruct him to not use the ice thrower on Dio because his mentality is to keep his opponent as intact as possible, and he always wants to kill the target himself unless he states otherwise. This is especially evident when he instructs Snake to go after Rat and to kill anyone in his way.

If liquid hydrogen didn't kill the twins, then how come they didn't attack Tiger or Ox after they were frozen? They were killed by it, my dude. No dust.

If Monkey hadn't held Ox down, he could have cut Usagi to even smaller bits, then he could have left to search for Sheep's bomb or find something flammable to kill Usagi for good.

Stating backstory is one thing, but not proving yourself in battle or outright refusing to use said weapon is invalid.

Dio wins, end of story.
 
He did not use it because Rabbit told him to not use it. Stop acting like he willingly chose to not use it when that is flat out untrue.

You keep saying nitrogen, its hydrogen, not nitrogen. And it did kill, it reduced them to dust. For some reason you seem to think i disagree with you in this regard.

And if Dio had killed Jonathan early on in the series he would have fulfilled his plans with minimal resistance. What ifs dont matter here.

Dragon was shown to be using his icethrower in battle in his backstory.

Im sorry but as of yet you really havent given any actual reasoning for Dio winning
 
Hell in the same vein of thought, Dio could let Rabbit and his zombies attack him out of arrogance only to get killed as a result

Also you havent even acknowledged that Rabbit has Chicken's birds
 
Bro. Me and 2 other users have stated multiple times that Dio can freeze people on contact and make them explode.

This is supposed to be a fight without prep or prior knowledge, meaning that Usagi wouldn't have his zombies, or Chicken's birds. If you wanted to use that argument, Dio would have shown up with a bunch of his minions to take care of Usagi's zombies, and fight him head on. Without his corpses, Usagi got cut down by Ox and Tiger in seconds, and they're only HUMAN. Dio doesn't need to rely as much on his minions as much as Usagi does. The chances of killing Dio are slim to none, and Usagi isn't trained to use Hamon, which is specifically tailored to kill vampires and zombies. His only option to try and kill Dio would be to exploit his arrogance, lure him outside, and survive until the sun comes up. Dio is an immortal vampire who can only be killed by the sun, Hamon, and later, Stand Users. Usagi has nothing but two blades and his zombies are weak to fire. I rest my case.
 
Why is rabbit allowed with help though in the first place?If this has to be more fair, speed equalization should be gone and Dio should have his minions too
 
Thank you, BlackDarkness679. The only reason Usagi "is allowed to have his zombies" is because he's pretty weak without them, and Ox and Tiger took him out easily. Monkey even states that the way he moves his body and his weapons is average compared to a master of swordsmanship, and says "well, if he's a necromantist, he wouldn't feel the need to practice martial arts" since he's already dangerous enough and he knows that. That's why he relies so heavily on strategy and outside assistance. Even if this fight allows prep and prior knowledge, this is still a cakewalk for Dio.
 
Ok lets give Dio his minions and see what happens.

Dio's minions: about 50 9-B zombies with little to no combat skills or experience and 2 low end 8-C zombies with moderate to advanced combat skill and experience. Dio only has his minions attack head on or employ basic ambushes. all of Dio's zombies are free willed and have no abilities outside of superhuman stats and immortality

Rabbit's minions: A large flock (a few hundred) of birds at least 9-B birds and 4 8-C to 8-C+ zombies with advanced combat skills. all of rabbit's zombies have super human stats, share their senses with each other and rabbit, immortality and the 4 have superpowers.

My battle prediction: first dio's minions charge right into a wall of fire and bullets from snake and boar causing them to terror rout in seconds due to the horrific levels of pain and damage. the 2 stronger zombies are only shaken (due to being hardened warriors) by the sight of their allies being destroyed by weapons they have never seen before (those 2 have been dead since the middle ages) and whilst they are distracted monkey jumps them and vaporises them effortlessly with her superior strength, skill and transmutation. Dio himself bearly has any time to think as the birds dive in to harass him and whilst he is swatting them away dragon swops down behind him using the birds as cover and flash freezes Dio to the spot and giving time for monkey to run up and vaporise him or leaving Dio there till sun rise.
 
@Unknown Cool, freezing and making them explode won't kill them Exploding and being reduced to dust arent even remotely comparable.

His zombies are standard equipment akin to summons.

Usage LET HIMSELF BE CUT APART. He allowed them to cut him so he would become exponentially more deadly as a zombie.

NLF to the highest degree with your argument rhat only hampn and the sun can kill him.
 
You're still ignoring Dio's Freezing Vaporization, Ripper eyes, Regenerationn, speed, and reaction time. If Dio chooses to swat at the birds, he is most likely touching them, and freezes on contact, shattering them to pieces. Monkey, Boar, Snake, and Dragon are measured at subsonic speed while Dio is Supersonic and has Hypersonic reaction time. Rabbit's zombies are slower than Dio's speed and reaction time, and his minions could distract them long enough for Dio to use his Ripper eyes (which can pierce through flesh, destroy a column, and tear off the top of a building) to cut 3 of the zombies weapons and render them useless. All Dio has to do is avoid Monkey, who needs to actually touch him to vaporize him, and get in close enough to Usagi to finish him off.
 
I don't see how freezing would lose to the apparently unlisted regen, given what being totally frozen will do to your cells (smaller than dust particles).
 
@Wok Dragon's freezing reduces the opponent to dust

Unless you're referring to Dio's freezing in which case rabbit and his zombies can function perfectly fine while reduced to pieces so freezing and shattering them won't be any detriment
 
@Unknown Freezing wont stop the zombies, regen gets nulled by liquid hydrogen or transmutation, speed and reactions mean nothing as speed is equalized
 
Weekly, the freezing itself would **** him over, not the shattering. If you're totally frozen like that, all your cells are ruptured because water expands when frozen and is present in cells.
 
@Ricsi Honestly this was made just to test the Watters with rabbit, though in hindsight maybe maybe a jojo character wasn't the best to start with but it was either dio or sekiro
 
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