Dio Brando vs Dettlaff van der Eretein

[LordUrien935]

Made since Witcher is 8-C now. Awakened DIO is used and Dettlaff can transform if he wants. Speed is equalized. Standard Battle Assumptions for the most part except this battle takes place in Tesham Mutna at night.


WRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY


Seems I've been bamboozled again...


Dettlaff van der Eretei: 1 (TheTsayMarine)

DIO: 8 (Chariot190, Stillwinston, GiornoGiovannaF, Culexus Assassin, KLOL506, XSOULOFCINDERX, ExSENNA, JooCipher)

Inconclusive:

 

[AngeronTheSkyHighAnger]

Holy shit this fight will be intense

 

[SpookyShadow]

Broooo

 

[KLOL506]

WHAT THE **** HAVE YOU DONE

 

[SpookyShadow]

DIO won't use freezing in character right?

I believe he won't spam time stop but will use it if he feels cornered and punch Dettlaff like a bitch, the problem is, Dettlaff can turn intangible. If DIO stops time while he's intangible (it's elemental intangibility so non-physical interaction won't do any good) he can't hit him.

If Dettlaff enters monster form and makes DIO start praying to any god he acknowledges, it will be pretty intense. Part 3 DIO's regen takes some time, Dettlaff's regen should be comparable (Regis regenerated his heart pretty quickly, honestly their regen should be updated to Mid). They will trade blows and regen from them but I believe Dettlaff will push DIO to the wall with his attacks and bats. He can't damage The World but he can damage DIO.

I'll wait for Chariot

 

[KLOL506]

Yeah, Awakened DIO doesn't use Freezing in-character. AT ALL.

 

[SheevShezarrine]

DIO has to gib incap Dettlaff for a full day to secure a win, Dettlaff just has to incap or stalemate DIO for a few hours, after which sunlight will kill DIO. I think Dettlaff has the more achievable and likely wincons. Voting Dettlaff

 

[KLOL506]

And yes, Dettlaff and the vampires need an upgrade to Mid Regen.

 

[SpookyShadow]

Another CRT *sigh*

 

[Stillwinston]

If they get Mid Regen can Dio bypass that?

 

[KLOL506]

If DIO spammed Freeze as much as he did back in the 19th century, sure. But sadly this simply doesn't happen in Part 3.

 

[SpookyShadow]

Maybe? He has lifting strength and AP advantage, and the regen is not instant, it took few seconds to regenerate for weakened Dettlaff from bisection

And still freeze is a wincon

 

[AngeronTheSkyHighAnger]

If DIO spammed Freeze as much as he did back in the 19th century, sure. But sadly this simply doesn't happen in Part 3.

Araki probably forgot dio even had that in part 3

 

[SpookyShadow]

Mid regen threado

 

[ExSENNA]

DIO spams the shit out of Time Stop. The only reason he didn't spam it against Jotaro is to compare stands aka PIS, even then he quickly started spamming it anyways

So unless this guy goes intangible right of the bat DIO says za warudo and Mudas him to death. Considering he has much higher AP he can likely bypass Low-Mid, or even Mid.

 

[KLOL506]

Here's the problem, Dettlaff spams Intangibility like hell too.

 

[SpookyShadow]

>Much higher AP

Isn't it like, 3 times at best? Monster Dettlaff is equal to experimental mutation Geralt in Blood and Wine, who's superior to his self from Witcher 1 where he quite easily defeated a guy who casually did a 0.37 ton feat

 

[ExSENNA]

3 times is much higher, not high enough to oneshot or anything, but much higher.

It's high enough for DIO to kill him in one Time-Stopped stand rush that lasts like 10 seconds

 

[AngeronTheSkyHighAnger]

So unless this guy goes intangible right of the bat DIO says za warudo and Mudas him to death. Considering he has much higher AP he can likely bypass Low-Mid, or even Mid.

Yeah it's quite likely because every third attack dettlaff does he combines it with intangibility

Dettlaff spams it more than araki forgets

 

[ExSENNA]

So basically DIO spams Time Stop and this guy spams Intangibility

If this is awakened DIO he doesn't have regen weakness iirc, his regen scales to Part 1 Dio's, who scales to Straizo's High-Mid.

And afaik SBA says it's always night for DIO.

 

[AngeronTheSkyHighAnger]

It only says that it's night not always night

 

[ExSENNA]

Time can be different for both characters, such as it being day for him and night for DIO, unless OP says Sun will rise it's always night for DIO afaik.

 

[Stillwinston]

Hmmmm, this is kinda sounding like an Incon to me. I'll wait for more input before saying it for certain though.

 

[Chariot190]

>3 times is much higher, not high enough to oneshot or anything, but much higher.

High DIO can one shot 8-C characters though. Through the magic of just because. Star Platinum is only 8-C but he can one shot characters who can one shot characters who are 8-C. Straight up punch their heads off. HIGH Dio is third on the Stand Scaling chart, only behind Star Platinum because wog and GER because GER dismantled a Stand King Crimson, who's basically 4th on said chart.

 

[AngeronTheSkyHighAnger]

Sheev vote was counted and his reasoning was because dio needs to incap dettlaff for a day while dettlaff needs only a few hours for him to incap or stalemate dio until sunlight comes out

If this counts then Dettlaff FRA

 

[SpookyShadow]

Also, I got to remind Dettlaff can mindhax other vampires

 

[ExSENNA]

DIO cal kill this guy with one stand rush that's what I'm saying, he scales above a bunch of other 8-C who are all much stronger than this guy

SBA would say it's always night for DIO so sun isn't rising for him. Unless he immediately leads with Intangibility DIO just Time Stops and beats him to death.

And his profile says mindhax happens with a bite, that's not gonna happen because DIO will kill him right away, he also have High-Mid regen in this key.

 

[SpookyShadow]

The stand rush won't happen if Dettlaff becomes intangible before the massive shout THE WORLD.

Anyway, Type 2 and 3 Immortality kinda say no anyway.

 

[SpookyShadow]

No, it wasn't mindhax after ONLY bite, for example Unseen Elder can make other vampires submit by shouting "ZAT'LATH", Dettlaff is a higher vampire as well.

 

[ExSENNA]

DIO doesn't need to yell ZA WARUDO to use Time Stop. It's thought-based he used it via a thought multiple times and only reason he yells it is to hype the moment.

DIO stops Time with a thought, beats him beyond his regen or Type 2 can handle, and calls it a day.

 

[SpookyShadow]

The Type 2 makes Higher Vampires be capable of surviving as ash so that's extremely irrelevant. Only a Higher Vampire can deal finishing blow to Higher Vampires.

Higher Vampires, especially Dettlaff, spam the intangibility even if they don't have to.

Can you tell me when he used it by thought in actual fight?

 

[SpookyShadow]

And the battle takes place in Tesham Mutna, Dettlaff can summon lesser vampires and bats, like Garkains, Alps, Bruxas, Katakans, Fleders et cetera. And yes, they can harm DIO.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Dettlaff FRA

 

[Chariot190]

Also, I got to remind Dettlaff can mindhax other vampires

So can Dio. Need I remind you Dio has several forms of mindhax, eye contact mindhax, fleshbuds (so organic mindhax), he also his supernatural influencing. His opponent having mindhax isnt even really an advantage when Dio has the same x3. And the odd thing is, it's probably not even that out of character for Dio to use it if he thinks his opponent could furthur his goals.

>Can you tell me when he used it by thought in actual fight?

idk probably the several times within his stoy arc? Hell Im pretty sure there's like double the amount of times where he didnt say anything opposed to when he did. Actually Im gonna go count.

Counting everytime he used time stop with a thought and no quote between Dio's World Part and Dio's World Part 16, I counted 11 times, at least, where Dio stopped time without exclaimg The World, one time he possibly did so off screen and even one time he said The World after time was stopped. And looking over the times he did say The World to stop time, idk why I never noticed it before but he wasnt saying it to stop time but to simply call forth his Stand like most Stand Users do (and even then he doesnt need to do it to summon the world, it's just a generic trope like dbz characters yelling attack names).

>Only a Higher Vampire can deal finishing blow to Higher Vampires.

If Dio really wanted he could launch his ass into orbit like Pol and Jotaro did to Alessi, casually.

>And the battle takes place in Tesham Mutna, Dettlaff can summon lesser vampires and bats, like Garkains, Alps, Bruxas et cetera.

And Dio can summon an invisible, intangible, time stopping punch ghost body guard with a surprising long range for the type of Stand it is, that being a power type.

Also his intagibility isnt exactly useful either, The World>>>Early Part 3 SP, who could inhale Justice.

 

[SpookyShadow]

Yeah Dio's mindhax is also irrelevant since Dettlaff resists mindhax, Dio does not.

I asked in actual fight. I remember him doing this twice against Polnareff, but overall, I remember him just shouting that THE WORLD shit, anyway it doesn't kinda matter, Dettlaff loves to become intangible.

>If Dio really wanted he could launch his ass into orbit like Pol and Jotaro did to Alessi, casually.

Dettlaff can teleport.

>And Dio can summon an invisible, intangible, time stopping punch ghost body guard with a surprising long range for the type of Stand it is, that being a power type.

Well nice, that I know.

>Also his intagibility isnt exactly useful either, The World>>>Early Part 3 SP, who could inhale Justice.

Lol, I mean, he can't interact with The World so... he would just leave it since it's intangible and invisible as you said, or just teleport away, and if he could interact that would be one of the worst things he could have done because Dettlaff would rip him apart from the inside.

The AP difference, well, I already said

Monster Dettlaff is superior to his transformed self, who's equal to experimental mutation Geralt in Blood and Wine with potions, who's much superior to his self from Witcher 1 without potions where he quite easily defeated a guy who casually did a 0.37 ton feat. I don't believe it's enough to one-shot, especially when Higher Vampires can survive as mush/being turned to little pieces and regenerate from that, greatly weakened Regis regenerated his heart in a heartbeat.

Yeaaah and they can actually regen their body parts. Dio needs to his own/other body parts that were severed from him to regenerate.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Dettlaff > or = Post Mutation Geralt > Witcher 3 Geralt > Witcher 1 and 2 Geralt > Savolla = casually 0.37 Tons

 

[SpookyShadow]

So that was 0.32 tons? sry

 

[M3X_2.0]

No it is indeed 0.37, my bad

 

[SpookyShadow]

Also we need to consider the fact that Geralt had some prep with potions that make him stronger so that's even higher

 

[Chariot190]

Dio can casually gore characters who are basically double that, and that's DIO, not HIGH DIO, which is what' being used. In fact he's stronger than characters who can casually punch holes clean through and dismember characters that are nearly double that.