Dialga

[HoneyPops]

Is Dialga the strongest 3D/4D Time manipulator?

And shouldn't Dialga get Type1 immortality as well?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

No and yes respectively. There are tons of time manipulators that are better, and it already has type 4, which covers type 1 by default.

 

[HoneyPops]

But isn't Dialga Time-itself?

According to the dimensional tiering of this wiki, I don't see how a being of the same dimension can manipulate time better than Dialga can?

 

[Joseph619]

By having better feats of course.

 

[HoneyPops]

Regardless of feats, how could a time manipulator be placed above something which is objectively Time itself?

It is like comparing Celebi and Dialga. Celebi can time-travel/manipulate time to an extent, while Dialga can do anything it likes, with time.

 

[Joseph619]

Because Dialga being time is not absolute outside pokemon verse. Other verse could simply have better feats and application of time than what Dialga has shown/could be capable of.

 

[HoneyPops]

Ah So Dialga is only time in its own verse and not outside of it?

How would that factor be considered in Death Battles though?

 

[XBlackExcellenceX]

Because Dialga being time is not absolute outside pokemon verse.

Verse Equalization? If Dialga is the embodiment of Time in Pokémon, he'll be the embodiment of Time anywhere.

 

[Joseph619]

Ah So Dialga is only time in its own verse and not outside of it?
How would that factor be considered in Death Battles though?

That's why we go by feats not speculation. Otherwise Ajimu would stomp everybody by having a quadrillion abilities (thus be immune to all hax in fiction)

 

[XBlackExcellenceX]

Dialga being the embodiment of Time isn't speculation..

 

[HoneyPops]

Most of Ajimu's abilities aren't specified though. They could be damn near useless and still be considered an ability. And according to dimensional tiering, she'd still lose to anyone in a higher dimension,

That would be speculating, but how is Dialga resetting time constantly, casually(Once to the begining of time, iirc) speculation? Those would be feats, no?

 

[Joseph619]

Embodiement of time doesn't make you the best time manipulator. It's like saying Avatars are embodiement of nature so they have best elemental manipulation in fiction.

 

[NeoZex6399]

Dialga being the embodiment of Time isn't speculation..

True, in addition the fact that Dialga goes mad causes time to be corrupted.

*Pokémon Mistery Dungeon

 

[XBlackExcellenceX]

Embodiement of time doesn't make you the best time manipulator. It's like saying Avatars are embodiement of nature so they have best elemental manipulation in fiction.

I was just correcting you. I don't really care for the thread.

 

[NeoZex6399]

@Joseph619

"Dialga can warp time by either speeding it up, slowing it down, or stopping it altogether."

"The concept of time has always been one of the world's great mysteries, but Dialga might hold the answer. Legend has it that Dialga's birth caused time to begin moving! It's no surprise that the people of Sinnoh see this Pokémon as a deity. If you're ever running late, maybe you could ask Dialga to do you a favour and turn back the clock."

-The manipulation of the time of Dialga nor is little thing.

 

[DaFritzi]

The Pokemon verse itself has a 4D time manipulator more powerful then Dialga. Namely Arceus, who has time manipulation at basically all-encompassing conceptual level, so far as to create the concept itself from scratch.