Devil vs The Black Wizard

[Arkenis]

I really don't see Zagred having any viable wincons here, as he can't get past time rewind. Zeref also has multiple different spells that will end the fight if they land (Law, Zeref's curse, magic absorption, this isn't even considering the laughable AP gap and Neo eclipse which would straight up Erase the present Zagred and reset him to 400 years in the past.

Again, the time rewind is not something bloodlusted Zeref will do off bat. Being bloodlusted does not mean “I will use the one technique that does not kill”. Also is resetting Zagred going to work? Law is just purification from what I remember so how exactly does that give him the win? Zerefs curse is avoidable from what I seen, not sure why Zagred couldnt just power null, he has that after all.

 

[Arkenis]

Wait. Aren't we using Base Zeref???

If Fairy Heart is too much for Zagred, then this can be base Zeref.

 

[Arkenis]

Looking at Zagreds page, is there a reason why his attack reflection wouldn’t work on Zerefs magic?

 

[Epsilon_R]

Looking at Zagreds page, is there a reason why his attack reflection wouldn’t work on Zerefs magic?

It would but if Zeref stops time, there's not much he can reflect

 

[Arkenis]

I just don’t think he’ll use time stop in this. theres no reason for him to and it’s not something that‘ll kill

 

[Theendzero13]

Zeref does not stops time even when he is bloodlusted canonnicaly even while going crazy trying to kill natsu he does not do it
So if this is base zeref i assume zagred just destroys his hole body after neggging all his haxes

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Again, the time rewind is not something bloodlusted Zeref will do off bat. Being bloodlusted does not mean “I will use the one technique that does not kill”. Also is resetting Zagred going to work? Law is just purification from what I remember so how exactly does that give him the win? Zerefs curse is avoidable from what I seen, not sure why Zagred couldnt just power null, he has that after all.

Bloodlusted is using all of your abilities even if it doesn't kill right of the bat

 

[Arkenis]

Bloodlusted is using all of your abilities even if it doesn't kill right of the bat

I guess. Does it last endlessly?

 

[Arkenis]

Zeref does not stops time even when he is bloodlusted canonnicaly even while going crazy trying to kill natsu he does not do it
So if this is base zeref i assume zagred just destroys his hole body after neggging all his haxes

if this is true. Which seems so, Zagred generally wins from hax I think. but are you changing your vote to Zagred if it’s base?

 

[Zackra1799]

Zeref does not stops time even when he is bloodlusted canonnicaly even while going crazy trying to kill natsu he does not do it
So if this is base zeref i assume zagred just destroys his hole body after neggging all his haxes

Natsu resists time stop, and Zeref specifically made Natsu/END to fight Zeref. This is why Natsu is able to resist time, death, and soul hax in verse. So given Zeref knows this, there was literally no reason for him to attempt time stop as it would have been useless.

Zeref also wasn't bloodlusted at all in their fight, as Zeref was intentionally holding back, and toying with Natsu so he could have a better fight and force Natsu to go all out.

Zeref resists powernull. And most of his stuff happens either on touch or by spawning it on Zagred anyways, which is faster than saying vanish or creating a spear. Zeref stomps here.

 

[Theendzero13]

Natsu resists time stop, and Zeref specifically made Natsu/END to fight Zeref. This is why Natsu is able to resist time, death, and soul hax in verse. So given Zeref knows this, there was literally no reason for him to attempt time stop as it would have been useless.

Zeref also wasn't bloodlusted at all in their fight, as Zeref was intentionally holding back, and toying with Natsu so he could have a better fight and force Natsu to go all out.

Zeref resists powernull. And most of his stuff happens either on touch or by spawning it on Zagred anyways, which is faster than saying vanish or creating a spear. Zeref stomps here.

Ultear not being present and the power never once being described as timestop(or explained at all for that matter) nor was it ever used again makes it very iffy to use for vs matches at least for me
So if the timestopnis a thing and zeref uses it them it is gg
If it is not them it is gg in zagreds favor due to a speed gap and his trident surpassing regular power null

 

[Theendzero13]

Anyway this is clearly a hax stomp any way or another so i think the thread can be closed

 

[Arkenis]

Isn't Zagred faster than Zeref?

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Isn't Zagred faster than Zeref?

Both FTL

 

[Theendzero13]

Both FTL

Only FH zeref is FTL so if this is base zeref like the OP changed it to be zagred just blitz and trident the guy

Anyway this a stomp in one way or another and i don't it can be added to profiles

 

[Arkenis]

Alright. So if its base its blitz for zagred and if its fh then time stop and outlast for zeref.

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Alright. So if its base its blitz for zagred and if its fh then time stop and outlast for zeref.

if it's speed blitz it can't be put into profile and will be deemed stomp

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Alright. So if its base its blitz for zagred and if its fh then time stop and outlast for zeref.

Even if you put FH it's not only time stop it's Ap advantage plus the passive curses

 

[Arkenis]

Can someone close this?