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Devil May Cry: Low 1-C

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Mbpoops said:
Unfortunarely fiction doesnt always follow these rules so you can have multiple infinite sized dimensions on the same axis as the container.
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If an expert on this confirms that the wiki doesn't use this kinda logic, then I'll back off. But till then I am not convinced.
 
HelloThere1089 said:
It's your CRT so I won't comment further on this, but my point isn't that what I said is a necessity, I'm saying what I said should be enough on its own to prove a 5th axis. If you disagree with the logic then tell me. But you are denying a very easy evidence for a 5th axis. The rest is up to you. Stop looking at how other verses got 5D and look at the logic itself is what I'm asking.
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I appreciate your intervention brother but I'm just being fair on all directions, regardless if they agree or not. I hope you understand.
 
If the same logic is being applied as GoW i would seriously question the validity of GoW’s L1C. Im not an expert abt GoW though so there could be more evidence n stuff but thats none of my buisness
 
Wait for staff. Think how many are probably asleep or busy right now. Give them some time to respond.
 
I would like to get a summary of any arguments made over the past several pages, given the sheer amount of derail. But from my current understanding of the argument;

  • There are multiple 4-dimensional space-time continuums within the Demon World.
  • They are spatiotemporally separated from each other, with a "darkness" in between them. Thus, this darkness would a higher-dimensional space if these spacetimes are actually parallel/spatially disjoint.
  • This darkness is then shown/told to be infinite relative to its contents/the space between these worlds and thus the totality of the Demon World would be a significantly sized 5-dimensional space.

If all of the above is true, then the Demon World would directly be Low 1-C regardless. That said, I welcome any correction to my understanding if it is wrong.
 
Planck69 said:
I would like to get a summary of any arguments made over the past several pages, given the sheer amount of derail. But from my current understanding of the argument;

  • There are multiple 4-dimensional space-time continuums within the Demon World.
  • They are spatiotemporally separated from each other, with a "darkness" in between them. Thus, this darkness would a higher-dimensional space if these spacetimes are actually parallel/spatially disjoint.
  • This darkness is then shown/told to be infinite relative to its contents/the space between these worlds and thus the totality of the Demon World would be a significantly sized 5-dimensional space.

If all of the above is true, then the Demon World would directly be Low 1-C regardless. That said, I welcome any correction to my understanding if it is wrong.
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The argument is that Demon World contains multiple 4D structures within a space called Chaos timeline. This space acts as a bridge between universes, exists beyond time and space and has its own laws of space and time, confirming a full fleshed 5D structure.

Next, I tried to show it's significance via proving Demon World as a structure is infinite and contains 4D structure like our Human World as a line of light within it. Vietthai came in and started arguing about how the light should be 2D instead of 1D. My argument to Vietthai was then that it shouldn't necessarily be treated as 2D, just needs to be a dimensional subset. Unless, he wishes for DW to be 6D.

That's all about it.
 
SuperSonicTL said:
The argument is that Demon World contains multiple 4D structures within a space called Chaos timeline. This space acts as a bridge between universes, exists beyond time and space and has its own laws of space and time, confirming a full fleshed 5D structure.
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Again, where it is stated that these multiple 4D structures within Chaos Timeline, it was literally stated to be a rift between world, exist beyond time and space, it is saying about Demon Lord Helfilth whose description states that he is a spirit that is "wandering beyond time and space", and you interpreted the Nightmare Space that is her domain is also beyond time and space, and i saw no evidence that this Space is within Chaos Timeline

SuperSonicTL said:
Next, I tried to show it's significance via proving Demon World as a structure is infinite and contains 4D structure like our Human World as a line of light within it. Vietthai came in and started arguing about how the light should be 2D instead of 1D. My argument to Vietthai was then that it shouldn't necessarily be treated as 2D, just needs to be a dimensional subset. Unless, he wishes for DW to be 6D.
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Dude what?, you are literally arguing the ray of light to be a slice, which is not the case. Nothing support that argument; either you don't understand what i said, or you are twisting my words
 
SuperSonicTL said:
Next, I tried to show it's significance via proving Demon World as a structure is infinite and contains 4D structure like our Human World as a line of light within it.
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Did you mean it contains the human world and other structures or other structures that are 4D like our human world?
 
Milly_Rocking_Bandit said:
How is it possible that they were at one point the same existence, yet after the divorce, one gains a lower ontology and the other gains a higher one? By an uncountable infinity, mind you.
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If you cut out an uncountably small part of something, then it will have that difference in existence. This is a weird line of questioning tho, because it doesn't matter what they were before the split. DW currently houses multiple low 2C constructs. That should be the line of questioning.
 
Milly_Rocking_Bandit said:
How is it possible that they were at one point the same existence, yet after the divorce, one gains a lower ontology and the other gains a higher one? By an uncountable infinity, mind you.
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If you didn't read the scan lemme repeat for you.

The human world came into existence inside the demon world. A ray of light inside endless darkness.

The human world has always been an insignificant piece of the demon world, they were never on the same level.
 
Milly_Rocking_Bandit said:
How is it possible that they were at one point the same existence, yet after the divorce, one gains a lower ontology and the other gains a higher one? By an uncountable infinity, mind you.
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Well, Human World was already treated as a weak world by Demon

Now that I'm checking further, the OP using two scans with two different translations


The cosmology blog use the ray of light translation

but the OP use line of light translation

 
Milly_Rocking_Bandit said:
How is it possible that they were at one point the same existence, yet after the divorce, one gains a lower ontology and the other gains a higher one? By an uncountable infinity, mind you.
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Human World just popped into existence within Demon World (I think there are implications it came forth through Qliphoth Tree) but later Demon King Pluto thought it's a nuisance considering its opposing nature to Demon World as a whole so he separated them into two parts and casted a wall between them. Later, Mundus overthrown Pluto and decided to merge both worlds again but was stopped by Dante's father, Sparda.
 
HelloThere1089 said:
I don't think you understand what you're talking about. the realms being infinite absolutely matters. If you have two realms A and B. Both A and B are 3D spatially. Then both have coordinates A[x1, y1, z1] and B[x2, y2, z2]. If even one of these realms is spatially infinite, let's say A is infinite, then the coordinates x1, y1, and z1, will occupy an infinite number of points in the 3D space. If that is so, then unless the container separates A and B using an extra dimension, A and B would overlap, making them not separate realms. But because they are separate, and one of them is infinite, and they are both contained by DW, DW needs to separate them both using a 4th spatial axis, mathematically speaking.
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A space-time is Low 2-C regardless of whether or not its 3-dimensional component is infinite or just significantly sized (by our standards, this would be the scope of the observable universe and beyond). Vietthai is correct here. Just thought I'd make that clear for the rest of the thread.
 
Tony_di_bugalu said:
Context is the same and iirc red said it could be translated as line, ray, streak of light
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I mean yeah, but should use 1 translation, or both in both OP and the blog to avoid confusion

Mbpoops said:
I mean the cosmology page legit says the universe was split in 2 between the demons and humans
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That's how the scan say, yeah, though depend on translation, the ray of light translation says "universe," and the line of light translation says "world." I need to know the kanji to determine which is correct though
 
Vietthai96 said:
I mean yeah, but should use 1 translation, or both in both OP and the blog to avoid confusion


That's how the scan say, yeah, though depend on translation, the ray of light translation says "universe," and the line of light translation says "world." I need to know the kanji to determine which is correct though
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Well world can be a vague term given the context, it could mean a civilization, universe, planet, it just depends on the context though usually it means planet earth. But given the context i wouldnt put it past meaning universe so i find it more difficult to agree with L1C
 
The term "universe" is also broad in JP, if the context is enough, it could mean multiverse for all we know.
 
Vietthai96 said:
That's how the scan say, yeah, though depend on translation, the ray of light translation says "universe," and the line of light translation says "world." I need to know the kanji to determine which is correct though
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I mean is this relevant to Low 1C? From my understanding, both translations imply "Endless" worlds thus it is still same meaning about "DW and HW being splitted"
 
Sekai can mean everything in existence for all we care. But regardless, let's just give this thread a space of relief (and my sanity too).
 
Hecky2222 said:
I mean is this relevant to Low 1C? From my understanding, both translations imply "Endless" worlds thus it is still same meaning about "DW and HW being splitted"
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Endless darkness referring to the original world before the split; then came the light, which is the Human World, the surround darkness is Demon Realm
 
Planck69 said:
A space-time is Low 2-C regardless of whether or not its 3-dimensional component is infinite or just significantly sized (by our standards, this would be the scope of the observable universe and beyond). Vietthai is correct here. Just thought I'd make that clear for the rest of the thread.
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I'm pretty sure you are misunderstanding my point here. I never said it needs to be infinite. I'm saying that IF it is, then two of them can't exist within a 3D space without overlapping. So because that is the case in DMC, that should qualify DW to have a 4th spatial axis, simply because it would be logically impossible for it to contain two separate 3D spaces with one of them being infinite. I'm not arguing standards here.
 
HelloThere1089 said:
I'm pretty sure you are misunderstanding my point here. I never said it needs to be infinite. I'm saying that IF it is, then two of them can't exist within a 3D space without overlapping. So because that is the case in DMC, that should qualify DW to have a 4th spatial axis, simply because it would be logically impossible for it to contain two separate 3D spaces with one of them being infinite. I'm not arguing standards here.
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Well, yeah. That should be a sufficient reasoning. At that point you are reaching an inaccessible cardinality which prevents both dimensions to overlap from each other which should be 4th axis.
 
Can we not use the ray of light statement as any sort of indicator of significance please? We've been through this so many times it deserves a discussion rule barring its usage. I don't get how people wont let go of a statement thats so clearly flowery and a way to say the world was split into two in a sort of dichotomous relationship rather than a real size difference of infinity.
 
BestMGQScalerEver said:
Can we not use the ray of light statement as any sort of indicator of significance please? We've been through this so many times it deserves a discussion rule barring its usage. I don't get how people wont let go of a statement thats so clearly flowery and a way to say the world was split into two in a sort of dichotomous relationship rather than a real size difference of infinity.
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Other way around actually. Just because something is flowery doesn't mean it's useless. Our Tier 0 explanations literally uses poems lol. Let's not go there.
 
BestMGQScalerEver said:
Can we not use the ray of light statement as any sort of indicator of significance please? We've been through this so many times it deserves a discussion rule barring its usage. I don't get how people wont let go of a statement thats so clearly flowery and a way to say the world was split into two in a sort of dichotomous relationship rather than a real size difference of infinity.
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So basically, the human and demon worlds are equal infinities separated by a dimensional barrier? If thats the case then the demon world would still be 4D right?
 
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