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Devil May Cry: Low 1-C

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No, Human World is 4-D universe like our own that was a part of Demon World. In Demon World, there is a place called Chaos Timeline that acts as a bridge between universes like Nirvana Dimensions as a known example we seen in DMC3. To traverse between those universes, we need a medium that separates all dimensions which is what we called Chaos Timeline.

Chaos Timeline is where a certain entity also lives called Helfilth whose description states that he lives "beyond time and space" which is similar to saying it transcends space and time.

And yes, you are correct there.
Okay so, the worlds within DW are 4D just like the HW, and the chaos timeline separates them. I believe I saw in the cosmo blog that one of the worlds withing DW is also infinite, correct me if I'm wrong. So DW should be 5D. How are you arguing significant size?
 
Yeah?. If it is a literal timeline, then it can't be a 5D space that act as space between and separate 4D structures
Buddy never heared of a Hypertimeline, lol
It is only said it is a rift between worlds
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So you didn't read what i said at all. In order for your argument to work, Human World should be a 2-dimension slice within the Demon Realm, i didn't said HW is 2-dimensional, but it must appear 2-dimensional embedded within the Demon Realm, and somehow you interpreted the ray of light as 1D line, which have no evidence to back it up at all
Type in Google "What's ray of light dimensionality?" Ur welcome
 
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Yeah?. If it is a literal timeline, then it can't be a 5D space that act as space between and separate 4D structures
... Brother that literally means nothing to what I'm arguing. I just posted that notion there to explain what Broken gear can do, just for context of the events.

It is only said it is a rift between worlds
A rift between worlds cannot be part of any world buddy. By definition it is a space that exists outside your typical universal structures.

Don't "???" me, pal. I'm saying what is the truth which is that no one had to prove anything beyond infinite spatial structure to qualify for higher tiers like this one.

So you didn't read what i said at all. In order for your argument to work, Human World should be a 2-dimension slice within the Demon Realm, i didn't said HW is 2-dimensional, but it must appear 2-dimensional embedded within the Demon Realm, and somehow you interpreted the ray of light as 1D line, which have no evidence to back it up at all
That’s not actually required. The Human World does NOT need to appear literally 2-dimensional when embedded in the Demon World for the argument to work. What’s required is that it functions as a lower-dimensional subspace or slice relative to a higher-dimensional model. A higher-dimensional space embedding a lower one does not force the lower space to "look flat" or geometrically reduced from within. That’s a misunderstanding of dimensional embedding.

Regardless, If we do require the Human World to be a literal 2-D slice then that would escalate Demon World higher than necessary (potentially 6-D) but there isn’t sufficient support for that which is why I’m NOT making that claim. The argument is intentionally conservative.
 
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Okay so, the worlds within DW are 4D just like the HW, and the chaos timeline separates them.
Correct.

I believe I saw in the cosmo blog that one of the worlds withing DW is also infinite, correct me if I'm wrong. So DW should be 5D. How are you arguing significant size?
By Demon World being infinite as a structure and not as an expansive space since the space can be infinite by default if we factor in how real number works.
 
Correct.


By Demon World being infinite as a structure and not as an expansive space since the space can be infinite by default if we factor in how real number works.
Thanks for the clarification, if a realm contains multiple 4-D realms, and connects them while also transcending space-time, as well as being infinite in size, sounds pretty solid Low 1-C to me.
 
Buddy never heared of a Hypertimeline, lol
That isn't hypertimelime either

Type in Google "What's ray of light dimensionality?" Ur welcome
Google doesn't matter, what matter is the evidence show the verse


... Brother that literally means nothing to what I'm arguing. I just posted that notion there to explain what Broken gear can do, just for context of the events.
Yeah?


A rift between worlds cannot be part of any world buddy. By definition it is a space that exists outside your typical universal structures.
I didn't say it is part of world?. The issues is what worlds?

Also no, a space between worlds doesn't somehow make it a space between universal structures, you can have space between small worlds, pocket dimensions


Don't "???" me, pal. I'm saying what is the truth which is that no one had to prove anything beyond infinite spatial structure to qualify for higher tiers like this one.
?????. The only thing i saw in your comment is you complaining about other verses


That’s not actually required. The Human World does NOT need to appear literally 2-dimensional when embedded in the Demon World for the argument to work.
No what?, you literally need to proving it, because you literally stated ray of light to be a slice as an argument to prove Demon World being higher-dimensional.


What’s required is that it functions as a lower-dimensional subspace or slice relative to a higher-dimensional model
Did you see what you just wrote?. This is literally support my point


A higher-dimensional space embedding a lower one does not force the lower space to “look flat” or geometrically reduced from within. That’s a misunderstanding of dimensional embedding
Where did i said the lower space is geometrically reduced?. Do you even understand what i said. You literally arguing that Human World is a slice of Demon Realm, thus Human World need to be a lower dimensional slice within the Demon Realm, which from the Demom Realm, Human World is a 2D flat slice


Regardless, If we do require the Human World to be a literal 2-D slice then that would escalate Demon World higher than necessary (potentially 6-D) but there isn’t sufficient support for that which is why I’m NOT making that claim. The argument is intentionally conservative.
No
 
The description particularly treats Human World as a line which is essentially the same as saying it's a "slice" as per FAQ mentioned above and thus, qualify it for a lower dimensional object in comparison as lines are fundamental for defining higher dimensions in geometry and mathematics
I think there is more evidence to support this because the demon world was going to consume the human world. The Demonworld’s dark power was quite literally overriding not just human world space, but also human world time in a variety of ways just from its somewhat closer proximity now challenging the dimensional seals that Sparda had previously set up in the past
 
I think there is more evidence to support this because the demon world was going to consume the human world. The Demonworld’s dark power was quite literally overriding not just human world space, but also human world time in a variety of ways just from its somewhat closer proximity now challenging the dimensional seals that Sparda had previously set up in the past
I mean, yeah, the seal from Pluto was to prevent both worlds merge back, Sparda also made a similar seal and also to prevent Demon from entering HW


But saying Demon Realm treat Human World as a literal line is bad logic
 
I mean, yeah, the seal from Pluto was to prevent both worlds merge back, Sparda also made a similar seal and also to prevent Demon from entering HW
Merging implies equality. The DW always consumes. Not vice versa. Provide evidence of an equal effect wherein the Demonworld is being consumed by the Human world if you wanna argue on that tangent. This is all without ignoring the fact that the Demonworld contains various continuums inside it as shown in the Cosmology blog @SuperSonicTL links earlier.
 
I mean, yeah, the seal from Pluto was to prevent both worlds merge back, Sparda also made a similar seal and also to prevent Demon from entering HW


But saying Demon Realm treat Human World as a literal line is bad logic
On a different note, I have some questions to ask you regarding what I could understand from the cosmology blog. Let me know if you disagree with any of the following points.
1. Demon World has multiple "worlds" within it.
2. One of them is infinite (see realms of nirvana).
3. If one of them is infinite spatially, and there are others regardless of their sizes, then they need to be separated.
4. This makes it impossible for DW to not be 4D spatially since it embeds multiple distinct worlds, one of which is infinite in size.
5. This also makes DW in it's totality 5D in space and time.
 
So......we are talking about Demon Realm being higher dimensional, or Hypertimeline?
We're talking about the Demonworld being higher dimensional, however, as a close colleague of @SuperSonicTL you could include my comment as additional support in favor of 5D Demonworld. The method matters little if you can utilize multiple.
 
So......we are talking about Demon Realm being higher dimensional, or Hypertimeline?
Technically both are at least relevant topics to this discussion.

The Demon World contains several continuums as tiny parts of itself, including a copy of the human world which is some kind of doorway. So there is an argument for it being higher dimensional than them based on that. While the ray of light line just means the Demon World is infinitely larger than the human world, it can fit with that higher meaning with all the rest factored in.
 
On a different note, I have some questions to ask you regarding what I could understand from the cosmology blog. Let me know if you disagree with any of the following points.
1. Demon World has multiple "worlds" within it.
2. One of them is infinite (see realms of nirvana).
3. If one of them is infinite spatially, and there are others regardless of their sizes, then they need to be separated.
4. This makes it impossible for DW to not be 4D spatially since it embeds multiple distinct worlds, one of which is infinite in size.
5. This also makes DW in it's totality 5D in space and time.
1. No, i never see such a thing in the series, the only thing is the Human World, the Mirror World and Demon Realm

2. Only the Demon Realm in itself entirely is infinite

3. ???

4. No one said DR isn't 4D, what?

5. I still have yet to see such a thing

Technically both are at least relevant topics to this discussion.

The Demon World contains several continuums as tiny parts of itself, including a copy of the human world which is some kind of doorway. So there is an argument for it being higher dimensional than them based on that. While the ray of light line just means the Demon World is infinitely larger than the human world, it can fit with that higher meaning with all the rest factored in.
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1. No, i never see such a thing in the series, the only thing is the Human World, the Mirror World and Demon Realm

2. Only the Demon Realm in itself entirely is infinite

3. ???

4. No one said DR isn't 4D, what?

5. I still have yet to see such a thing


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Tell me you didn't read the blog in the opening comment without telling me you didn't read the blog. Reread it here. There are multiple realms inside the Demonworld that are 4D.
 
Yeah what? I'm just saying that what you are thinking as something relevant to argument is something that was there to give out the context?

Regardless, the timeline part you are thinking here is something beyond Demon and Human World and is not the argument we are routing for. Kindly stay on the topic please.

I didn't say it is part of world?. The issues is what worlds?
The world that Dante was traversing throughout the chapter.

Also no, a space between worlds doesn't somehow make it a space between universal structures, you can have space between small worlds, pocket dimensions
Burden of proof is on you then to prove this is talking about pocket dimensions or anything because we consistently had space-times within Demon World. Besides, I didn't came here without proving its beyond space-time nature and the fact that it has its own laws of space and time.

?????. The only thing i saw in your comment is you complaining about other verses
And why shouldn't I? Are you guys inconsistent with your standards or am I stupid to point something this pathetic?

No what?, you literally need to proving it, because you literally stated ray of light to be a slice as an argument to prove Demon World being higher-dimensional.
There could be 6D space-time for all I care but there isn’t sufficient evidence to support that claim. My argument only requires 5D and that’s where the evidence actually points. There’s no reason to force the discussion beyond what’s necessary when the claim being made is already supported at 5D.

Did you see what you just wrote?. This is literally support my point
You’re confusing the definition of what needs to be shown with evidence that it has been shown. Stating the requirement doesn’t mean your claim meets it.

Where did i said the lower space is geometrically reduced?. Do you even understand what i said. You literally arguing that Human World is a slice of Demon Realm, thus Human World need to be a lower dimensional slice within the Demon Realm, which from the Demom Realm, Human World is a 2D flat slice
Being a slice of a higher-dimensional structure doesn’t mean it reduces to a 2D flat sheet. That’s not how dimensional embedding works. A 4D spacetime can exist as a lower-dimensional subspace of a higher-dimensional realm without appearing 2D from any perspective. Now, ofcourse, if you wish for Demon World to be 6D then say it.

What do you mean by "no"?
 
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That isn't hypertimelime either
Never claimed it was
Google doesn't matter, what matter is the evidence show the verse
Context and Consistency exists yk
Yeah?



I didn't say it is part of world?. The issues is what worlds?
The Nirvana stuff in the blog
Also no, a space between worlds doesn't somehow make it a space between universal structures, you can have space between small worlds, pocket dimensions
Helfilth and the gear already dismiss this
 
Yeah you're right, buddy never heard of a hyper timeline. I'd like to turn attention to the comment I made earlier in support of @SuperSonicTL and how proposal as it is relevant here.
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the amount of question marks in this chat is nauseating. Just argue normally pls. If another one of my responses is replied with "No???" I'm gonna cry.
 
Merging implies equality. The DW always consumes. Not vice versa. Provide evidence of an equal effect wherein the Demonworld is being consumed by the Human world if you wanna argue on that tangent. This is all without ignoring the fact that the Demonworld contains various continuums inside it as shown in the Cosmology blog @SuperSonicTL links earlier.
I would like to ask. How is HW suppossed to consume the DW? The Human world is finite because it is a planet while the DW is infinite unless the HW is in reference to the entire universe (which is crazy imo but if jts inverse standards than ok)
 
1. No, i never see such a thing in the series, the only thing is the Human World, the Mirror World and Demon Realm
Have you seen the cosmology blog in the OP?
2. Only the Demon Realm in itself entirely is infinite
The nirvana realm within DW is stated to be infinite according to the cosmology blog. I'm just going off of it. If you disagree with it, then give you arguments.
Talk like a normal person please
4. No one said DR isn't 4D, what?
You say this but then..
5. I still have yet to see such a thing
So you think DR is 4D spatially but isn't 5D when we take the dimension of time into account? What am I missing here?
 
I would like to ask. How is HW suppossed to consume the DW? The Human world is finite because it is a planet while the DW is infinite unless the HW is in reference to the entire universe (which is crazy imo but if jts inverse standards than ok)
HW cant be finite since they cut world to HW DW which was already infinite. If HW is finite well so is DW
 
HW cant be finite since they cut world to HW DW which was already infinite. If HW is finite well so is DW
Sooooo then the demons are just stupid for only invading earth instead of the entire universe or is earth infinite
 
I would like to ask. How is HW suppossed to consume the DW? The Human world is finite because it is a planet while the DW is infinite unless the HW is in reference to the entire universe (which is crazy imo but if jts inverse standards than ok)
The human world is the whole universe, but the Demon World is far larger, described as infinitely bigger, and even contains a copy of the human world as a sort of outer layer or doorway or something between the two worlds, literally the twisted reflection of the human world, behind which is the Demon World. At least that's the case from what I can tell of the Mirror World's lore.
Sooooo then the demons are just stupid for only invading earth instead of the entire universe or is earth infinite
Most demons can't operate in space and most others don't care to, no proof aliens exist, and demons are generally after humans for one reason or another.
 
Sooooo then the demons are just stupid for only invading earth instead of the entire universe or is earth infinite
Well, the humans are considered special due to their nature so they mostly try to invade Earth.
 
Sooooo then the demons are just stupid for only invading earth instead of the entire universe or is earth infinite
Why tf they would invade empty infinite universe when there is literally living planet?

This is peak. I obviously agree with this logic
 
what im getting so far is that demon world is infinite in size and contains other infinite sized 4-D realms
Is that enough for Low 1-C?
 
what im getting so far is that demon world is infinite in size and contains other infinite sized 4-D realms
Is that enough for Low 1-C?
Should be, yes but you can add in extra flavor by proving dimensional subset for the higher dimensional structure in turn while also proving the higher dimensional structure is indeed higher dimensional by nature.

The evidence may vary but the implications atleast should be there to open the door for Low 1-C.
 
Should be, yes but you can add in extra flavor by proving dimensional subset for the higher dimensional structure in turn while also proving the higher dimensional structure is indeed higher dimensional by nature.

The evidence may vary but the implications atleast should be there to open the door for Low 1-C.
I will point out that the former evidence is pretty hard to have soo it's not always a necessary requirement but you can give the latter atleast.
 
Should be, yes but you can add in extra flavor by proving dimensional subset for the higher dimensional structure in turn while also proving the higher dimensional structure is indeed higher dimensional by nature.

The evidence may vary but the implications atleast should be there to open the door for Low 1-C.
The blog says the Nirvana realm is called infinite twice, but only one statement is linked. Could you provide the other one?
 
The blog says the Nirvana realm is called infinite twice, but only one statement is linked. Could you provide the other one?
You honestly don't need infinite size for Nirvanas. It having it's own space-time is enough since time by its nature is composed of continuous arrays of infinitesimal points.
 
what im getting so far is that demon world is infinite in size and contains other infinite sized 4-D realms
Is that enough for Low 1-C?
The crucial point that lies here is, it connects Low 2-C realms, which cannot be done unless there exists a 5th dimensional axis. Now the infinite size of the DW extends this 5th axis to infinity and hence makes it a Low 1-C realm.
I hope this is makes it easy to grasp.
 
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