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is nirvana infinite then? Cuz this logic would make DB Universes 5D if no
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Devil May Cry: Low 1-C
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I tried to simplify it as much as possible
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You generally shouldn't, but there are rules about needing a significant size. That rule actually exists to stop ridiculous stuff like Low 2-C for having an inventory that stops items degrading.
Again, if you have that other quote calling that Nirvana infinite, it'd help if you added it to the blog.
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Uhhh... I wouldn't say so? Nirvana dimension is just your typical sets of 4D universes. While DB macrocosms is comprised of combinations of 4D universes connected with eachother.
Technically, the neutral space that occupies all DB macrocosms are 5D but it isn't proven to be infinite soo... yeah.
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Okay, so the Demon World contains Low 2-C structures within itself, which apparently requires a 5-D structure. And the Demon World being infinite in addition to that...
Okay, I can see where this comes from.
Okay, I can see where this comes from.
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i needed to clarify and ask "Are you telling Nirvana is finite 4D or Infinite 4D" I guess.
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Significant size have to do nothing when the notion is there to prove that the universe has its own time dimension of it.
I can't remember honestly. You can ask @Tony_di_bugalu, @Mister6ame6 or @chosen for that.
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So do you agree with 5D or no
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Only one of the multiple Nirvana dimensions is stated to be infinite. Others are just there for show.
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I feel like this requires more evidence of 5D it’s literally just another realm with a different spacetime. If you wanted to say the demon realm is 5D i think that has more ground but im gonna stay neutral for now
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Honestly, Tier 1 is a complicated matter. Let me look into the Tiering System FAQ some more.So do you agree with 5D or no
Edit: the Tiering System FAQ does say that instances where a 4-D space-time continuum is a tiny part of a larger 5-D object that qualifies, and there's no question that there are multiple space-time continuums in the Demon World that are clearly far smaller than the larger realm.
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I will point out that you can't travel between universes without a space that connects them. This space is 5D by nature because extra dimensions would allow you to traverse between universes. There is no other way to do so.
This is why the space of multiverse as we know is also 5D but it's soo small compared to an actual 5D space that it does not matter and only is entitled as insignificant 5D space—something that is almost irrelevant.
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Anyways, I think the PoC stuff was really unnecessary to the upgrade, but based on the fact that Demon World is a structure that supports multiple infinite Low 2-C realms while being entirely seperate from them, is by itself infinite in relation to said structures, I agree with Low 1-C
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Soooo, do we argue low 1-C DW by Hypertimeline or by extending infinitely?
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It should be more then enough on its own. In fact, I'd say this shouldn't even be needed but I'm pointing this out in order to remove all kinds of doubts.
What really matters is to prove the significant (continuous, uncountable infinite size of higher dimension) to actually get Low 1-C.
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Sanest comment here
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I would request OP to do things step by step. Add POC stuff to the mix later if possible. For now just the DW being Low 1-C is easier to argue. It will also provide a foundation for any future CRTs.
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ngl i think the chaos timeline thing is irrelevant because you have already proven that the demon world which is infinite in size contains or is larger than:
- Nirvana (An infinite sized 4-D realm)
- Mirror world (A 4-D realm which is only a small fraction of the demon world)
- The human world which is also 4-D
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Honestly, according to the FAQ, at least as I'm reading it, the Demon World seems to qualify for this, given that:
1. It's stated that a 5-D structure containing space-time continuums as small parts of itself qualifies. (Demon World contains several structures with their own space-time continuum as tiny parts, and these structures can only be accessed via portals)
2. It's stated that the space containing or between such structures would be 5-D but of an unknown size by default.
3. That space between or around is the main Demon World which is repeatedly stated to be infinite.
Unless there's something I'm misunderstanding, this seems to qualify for 5-D Low 1-C under the FAQ.
Update: Summary by SupersonicTL
1. It's stated that a 5-D structure containing space-time continuums as small parts of itself qualifies. (Demon World contains several structures with their own space-time continuum as tiny parts, and these structures can only be accessed via portals)
2. It's stated that the space containing or between such structures would be 5-D but of an unknown size by default.
3. That space between or around is the main Demon World which is repeatedly stated to be infinite.
Unless there's something I'm misunderstanding, this seems to qualify for 5-D Low 1-C under the FAQ.
Update: Summary by SupersonicTL
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Ang4I00
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Everyone please stop derailing with vs thread talk, okay?
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is it allowed to tag mods again now, because the thread has clarified a lot of the stuff now. Or maybe different mods
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Vietthai seemed to like being pinged about as much as getting teeth pulled, so I'll leave them alone for a while. I think they already want to throw tomatoes (or wilting flowers) at me for pinging them. I'll ping a few people who know the verse, I guess. Give me a sec.
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@Planck69 @Elizhaa @KingTempest @UchihaSlayer96 @Emirp sumitpo @Dalesean027 @Theglassman12
The thread has been clarified a fair bit, and there's a longer summary as well. What do you all think?
The thread has been clarified a fair bit, and there's a longer summary as well. What do you all think?
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No, it said:
While this is true, you need to pretty much prove that the space in question contains and separates 4D structures that make them not connected. Because
1. Some fiction has voids between 4D structure, usually space-time universes, and void do not have dimensionality
2. Not every space that contains multiple 4D structures = 5D
So yeah, you need to prove the space in question is a container and a separator of 4D structures
I don't believe you bro
He said that he don't want to get involved in tier 1 thread
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Leave that poor flower alone please
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It seems to be talking about containing them as tiny parts. That statement you point to about being a surface has an "etc." after it, implying it doesn't have to specifically be a surface and no other place for it counts. And the line before describes a 3-D structure being a tiny part of a 4-D structure, to add context.
They're only accessible to each other via portals, if that's what you mean.
It's unlikely the Demon World is a void that lacks dimensionality.
The FAQ is written in a very vague way, unfortunately.
Come on, respectfully, you don't get to directly respond to me then complain about me allegedly not leaving you alone. I fully intended to leave you alone, and now I literally can't.I don't believe you bro
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Is all this derailing really necessary?
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You either disagree with the blog or haven't read it at all. Otherwise I don't see how you still don't get it.
1. DW holds 9 realms of Nirvana and the mirror world
2. One of the realms of Nirvana is infinite spatially, so to hold any other 4D structure, there needs to be an extra spatial dimension. Which DW needs to have since it is the container.
Which part of this specifically do you disagree with
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To clarify, it is talking about containing them on infinitesimal scale. But again, I know verses that haven't proven that and still got Low 1-C. Then again, I've no reason to go deep into it.
Most likely, yes.
That's true.
The FAQ is never clear or blunt I'd add, which is part of the reason why I made this thread to point towards that notion.
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depends on how you interpreting what is tiny
this is the normal thing to prove separate timelines for 2-C and above
I just mention every possible scenario; it doesn't mean DW is a void
Well, yeah, since it is suppose to be a general guideline
I'm just joking
The realms being infinite or finite doesn't matter. I didn't disagree with them being solid 4D structures. DW being a container is oke, but being a container hardly means it has a 5D axis that separates 4D structures. The portal argument could help but not too much
I could see evidence implying DW being 5D space, but i'm not totally fine with it, based on my experience, so at best i could agree with it being a possible 5D space. But it is Low 1-C or not is another matter. Agnaa said the space being significant size is enough, but i remember Qaw said something about you need to prove the specific 5D axis is significant in size, or having statement that the space is significant in all direction (thus includes the 5th axis/direction)
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I don't think you understand what you're talking about. the realms being infinite absolutely matters. If you have two realms A and B. Both A and B are 3D spatially. Then both have coordinates A[x1, y1, z1] and B[x2, y2, z2]. If even one of these realms is spatially infinite, let's say A is infinite, then the coordinates x1, y1, and z1, will occupy an infinite number of points in the 3D space. If that is so, then unless the container separates A and B using an extra dimension, A and B would overlap, making them not separate realms. But because they are separate, and one of them is infinite, and they are both contained by DW, DW needs to separate them both using a 4th spatial axis, mathematically speaking.
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Come on, let's try to be civil, okay?
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But I haven't insulted anybody 
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Look, I think we need to take a step back and summarize the key points instead of interpreting concepts however we wish.
I’ve studied tier upgrades extensively recently and frankly, there’s very little consistency across them. What I’m arguing is essentially the same approach GoW has taken where they treated RBR as Chaos Timeline and Yggdrasil as Demon World (in my case I went a bit further with line argument but that doesn't dismiss the actual elephant in the room).
At this point, we risk getting lost in subjective interpretation instead of actually evaluating the evidence.
I’ve studied tier upgrades extensively recently and frankly, there’s very little consistency across them. What I’m arguing is essentially the same approach GoW has taken where they treated RBR as Chaos Timeline and Yggdrasil as Demon World (in my case I went a bit further with line argument but that doesn't dismiss the actual elephant in the room).
At this point, we risk getting lost in subjective interpretation instead of actually evaluating the evidence.
Nah, Vietthai is correct there. A universe just needs to prove that it has a dimension of time, a space being infinite or not isn't really an issue because time already acts as a significant, uncountable, continuous, infinite dimension which is what DB used to upgrade itself to 5D via hype timeline.
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It's your CRT so I won't comment further on this, but my point isn't that what I said is a necessity, I'm saying what I said should be enough on its own to prove a 5th axis. If you disagree with the logic then tell me. But you are denying a very easy evidence for a 5th axis. The rest is up to you. Stop looking at how other verses got 5D and look at the logic itself is what I'm asking.
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Unfortunarely fiction doesnt always follow these rules so you can have multiple infinite sized dimensions on the same axis as the container.
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