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Devil May Cry Discussion Thread

He didn't immediately defeat Nero, Trish, and Lady.
Trish and Lady never put up a fight even. Nero was defeated immediately in both fights. I won't even talk about second fight because it is discussed to death.
Even steelmanning the arguement, Dante still survived 25 hours and got up after many KOs.

This is ignoring entire reason for Urizen's existance is Vergil's mommy envy towards and Dante and gamer rage at his multiple defeats. He became Urizen to get back at Dante lmao. He is the only one he acknowledges. He ain't treating Dante like non-name nobodies lol.
 
Trish and Lady never put up a fight even.
That's not what I said. What I'm saying is that Urizen didn't immediately blitz and one-shot them, even though he obviously had the ability to do so. You can hear Trish and Lady fighting Urizen in-game while we're heading towards him with Dante.

Nero was defeated immediately in both fights.
No, because Nero managed to hit him (Nero managed to scratch him is another debate and irrelevant here) in the second fight. Regarding the first fight, BtN contradicts you; Nero is fighting Urizen, he doesn't get instantly blitzed and one-shotted.

These two examples prove that Urizen likes to "have fun" with his opponents.

This is ignoring entire reason for Urizen's existance is Vergil's mommy envy towards and Dante and gamer rage at his multiple defeats. He became Urizen to get back at Dante lmao. He is the only one he acknowledges. He ain't treating Dante like non-name nobodies lol.
How is that supposed to prove that Urizen wasn't just messing around with Dante? The only time Urizen got serious was when Nero scratched him and he got his ass off his throne.
 
That's not what I said. What I'm saying is that Urizen didn't immediately blitz and one-shot them, even though he obviously had the ability to do so. You can hear Trish and Lady fighting Urizen in-game while we're heading towards him with Dante.
Yeah sure, but it doesn't mean much. It's during gameplay. In BtN they get stomped easily. Even Trish comments how unnaturally strong the demon is.
No, because Nero managed to hit him (Nero managed to scratch him is another debate and irrelevant here) in the second fight. Regarding the first fight, BtN contradicts you; Nero is fighting Urizen, he doesn't get instantly blitzed and one-shotted.

These two examples prove that Urizen likes to "have fun" with his opponents.
Not even gonna debate against this for millionth time.
How is that supposed to prove that Urizen wasn't just messing around with Dante? The only time Urizen got serious was when Nero scratched him and he got his ass off his throne.
Narrative? Story? Plot? Subtext? Theme?
 
Yeah sure, but it doesn't mean much. It's during gameplay. In BtN they get stomped easily. Even Trish comments how unnaturally strong the demon is.
Everyone got easily stomped, but not before Urizen had a little fun with them. That doesn't contradict what I'm saying.

Not even gonna debate against this for millionth time.
I don't know what you're talking about, but the game and the novel are clear that Urizen did not instantly defeat Nero (but not because Nero downscale to Urizen, of course).

Narrative? Story? Plot? Subtext? Theme?
Nothing you just explained contradicts the fact that Urizen didn't want to finish Dante off quickly. That's not a counter-argument.

If Dante held out longer against Urizen than the others, it's partly because Dante is infinitely more powerful than them, not because Dante has a similar AD to Garou.
 
Everyone got easily stomped, but not before Urizen had a little fun with them. That doesn't contradict what I'm saying.
Urizen? Fun? Strange combination of words to use in same sentence unless Dante is involved. Others aren't Dante.
Nothing you just explained contradicts the fact that Urizen didn't want to finish Dante off quickly. That's not a counter-argument.
Assumptions need proof.
If Dante held out longer against Urizen than the others, it's partly because Dante is infinitely more powerful than them,
All the more reason to be serious, aside from the emotional investment, with what little emotions he has.
(Also, Vergil loves to fight Dante)
Yeah the edgiest demon ever with ton of emotional angst and resentment with denial is having hedonistic fun. Yeah totally makes sense.
not because Dante has a similar AD to Garou.
Even steelmanning your point, AD is blatant.
 
Urizen? Fun? Strange combination of words to use in same sentence unless Dante is involved. Others aren't Dante.
His fights against Nero, Lady, and Trish prove it. Unless you think those three downscale to Urizen.

Assumptions need proof.
What assumptions?
Your argument proves nothing to begin with. Whether Vergil envies Dante or not doesn't contradict that he might have had fun with him before crushing him. I don't know what your point is here.

All the more reason to be serious, aside from the emotional investment, with what little emotions he has.
That doesn't mean Urizen was serious at that point. Urizen was still far more powerful than Dante at that time.


Yeah the edgiest demon ever with ton of emotional angst and resentment with denial is having hedonistic fun. Yeah totally makes sense.
Vergil has always loved facing off against Dante bruh

Even steelmanning your point, AD is blatant.
Not a stats-based AD in Battle
 
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He didn't immediately defeat Nero, Trish, and Lady.
So confident and so wrong lmao

Nero got 1 tapped by Urizen the second he hit the shield as you can clearly see in VoV

As for Trish and Lady, their ""fight"" is literally just Urizen ignoring them and the shield defeating the duo. That was less of a fight and more of a guy running top speed towards a wall and getting a concussion.


Now that I remember, we already had this discussion and literally everyone disagreed with you. I'm not saying you aren't allowed to disagree or have your own opinions just that so far its only you who doesn't see the painting in the wall.
 
So confident and so wrong lmao

Nero got 1 tapped by Urizen the second he hit the shield as you can clearly see in VoV
In BtN, it's explicitly stated that Nero lost quickly because he only had one arm and wasn't used to fighting like that.

In the second fight, he managed to hold out long enough to land a hit, and Urizen was somewhat surprised.

This proves that Urizen was never truly committed and serious until he finally got off his throne.

As for Trish and Lady, their ""fight"" is literally just Urizen ignoring them and the shield defeating the duo. That was less of a fight and more of a guy running top speed towards a wall and getting a concussion.
The fight takes place off-screen, but we hear it in the mission where Dante is playing as he heads towards Urizen. This means that Urizen didn't instantly one-shot them.

Now that I remember, we already had this discussion and literally everyone disagreed with you.
I only discussed this with you and no one else.
 
In BtN, it's explicitly stated that Nero lost quickly because he only had one arm and wasn't used to fighting like that.
I don't think you realized but what Nero is talking about, which also happens in the manga, is that because he doesn't have his arm he can't defend properly... which still doesn't matter because he literally got one shoted. If Urizen was playing he wouldn't have instantly rekt Nero, like you say he would have "played and toyed" but he didn't do that.
In the second fight, he managed to hold out long enough to land a hit, and Urizen was somewhat surprised.
We all know the second fight is full of plot armor and outliers, using it as a legit argument just doesn't work.
This proves that Urizen was never truly committed and serious until he finally got off his throne.
Nope
The fight takes place off-screen, but we hear it in the mission where Dante is playing as he heads towards Urizen. This means that Urizen didn't instantly one-shot them.
We are told what their plan was and why it failed. Lady does support from behind with guns and Trish rushes with the Sparda but it failed because the moment the rockets hit the shield the shockwave stopped everything and put Trish out of commission while Lady being far behind didn't get hit completely.

They even try it again and same thing happens, even when Trish uses Artemis as a last resort.

There was no fight, no conflict, Urizen was just chilling and the duo just crashed against the Yamato shield like a car going at 180 mph against a building hoping to make it past the first wall but exploding against the tree in front of it.


Also, we went way off topic here. Point is, Urizen wasn't toying, hell he only becomes stronger than Dante when Nero is already inside the tree as seen in the manga.

Also, don't forget one very important part, its explicitly said in the nico report that Urizen wasn't fighting sitting on the throne out of contempt, he needed to stay seated and rooted on the Qliphoth to grow stronger and absorb power (probably on life support just like how Dante was on life support for the whole month)

If Urizen got up not only he would stop getting power which means Dante would become stronger but also would start dying out.

I only discussed this with you and no one else.
Pretty sure there were like 8 dudes jumping you to the point some of us stopped arguing because it was too much.
 
wait till we get the blog since that should be linked to the main people (Sparda, Mundus, Pluto, Argosax, Nightmare) while the others are just from scaling to those characters
 
@BlackDarkness679 You wrote Low Complex Multiversal level for the stats when it should be Low Complex Multiverse level for all except Range.

Just letting you know that's how it should be done.
 
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No iirc, only type 2
Bayo does have Type 1 CM metas; the profiles are all just very outdated in almost every aspect & still have a pretty good amount of revisions to undergo, some of which are currently ongoing, 'till they're properly up to snuff unfortunately. If only our verse were as committed & thriving as y'alls, it wouldn't be taking so long... 🥀💔

Also, big congrats to y'all on finally getting Tier 1 approved by the way 🥂! It was about time, this verse should've had that rating literal ages ago smh.
 
Bayo does have Type 1 CM metas; the profiles are all just very outdated in almost every aspect & still have a pretty good amount of revisions to undergo, some of which are currently ongoing, 'till they're properly up to snuff unfortunately. If only our verse were as committed & thriving as y'alls, it wouldn't be taking so long... 🥀💔

Also, big congrats to y'all on finally getting Tier 1 approved by the way 🥂! It was about time, this verse should've had that rating literal ages ago smh.
Now don't be like that, you guys had it much more easier experience then we ever hope to get.

Also thanks nonetheless 🗿
 
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Now you definitely ain't wrong about that... I always thought it was weird just how much pushback DMC got on Tier 1 when the logic for it was pretty sound & really wasn't even that much different from any of the other verses that followed a similar one, Bayo included. The rating is very rightly deserved though imho, so I'm just glad that was finally recognized 🙏
 
I was thinking about dmc vs honkai matches but I see it is just im vs cm incon again
Tbh this shouldn't be a problem since Souls in DMC are more fundamental than CM1 Names which would imply it's also more fundamental than IM2 since those are treated as equal but I'm not sure if that's accepted like that
 
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