Devil May Cry Discussion Thread

[BlackDarkness679]

Well I didn't literally mean that lmao

I know, it was a little thing though so it didnt matter as much

I already fixed it, just letting you know for future reference.

Ah ok, thanks, I dont mess with tier 1 normally so yeah

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

CM1 Names

Considering the Names of demons as concepts is weird to me

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DevilMayCry/s/o8zTqm7No2

 

[Thermor]

Anos vs Dante

Demon vs Demon. Anos's profile Dante's profile Speed equalized

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[Hecky2222]

Anos vs Dante

Demon vs Demon. Anos's profile Dante's profile Speed equalized

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Pls never cook again

 

[Hecky2222]

Chat forgot to ask

Is 45 layers for Soul/CM1 only or for all haxes generally

 

[SuperSonicTL]

Chat forgot to ask

Is 45 layers for Soul/CM1 only or for all haxes generally

Everything.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Unless I missed something, all profiles with 2-C got updated at Low 1-C

 

[Random-Helper323]

Unless I missed something, all profiles with 2-C got updated at Low 1-C

I'll check later.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Chat forgot to ask

Is 45 layers for Soul/CM1 only or for all haxes generally

I have another question:
Can Dante and Vergil adapt/counter hax well above 45+ layers with their Reactive Evolution, or would it be a wank/no-limit fallacy to say that?

 

[Hecky2222]

I have another question:
Can Dante and Vergil adapt/counter hax well above 45+ layers with their AD/RE, or would it be a wank/no-limit fallacy to say that?

NLF I think

 

[SuperSonicTL]

Okay guyz soo... Does someone here knows how to make gifs and edit it on the wiki blogs?

 

[SuperSonicTL]

Devil May Cry: Cosmology Explanation

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Metaphysics

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Blogs are ready @Random-Helper323. The only thing I wished to add in was a gif for Dante receiving the soul of King Cerberus but I suppose it can be done later. Other then that, you can turn it into official pages. Also while at it, I want you to adjust margins between images and texts.

Update: Edited in the main page myself.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Devil May Cry: Cosmology Explanation

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Metaphysics

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Blogs are ready @Random-Helper323. The only thing I wished to add in was a gif for Dante receiving the soul of King Cerberus but I suppose it can be done later. Other then that, you can turn it into official pages.

Also while at it, I want you to adjust margins between images and texts.

For the DMC3 Manga scans, I think it would be better to use Blackened Angel's translation.

Also for the Metaphysics page:

- There is a YouTube link that no longer works in the Name Section.

- It says that the Names precede the universe, but in which scan? I can't find it.

 

[SuperSonicTL]

For the DMC3 Manga scans, I think it would be better to use Blackened Angel's translation.

Ion have time to go back and change all the scans back. It's fine nonetheless.

Also for the Metaphysics page:

- There is a YouTube link that no longer works in the Name Section.

Can't remember what it was (the blog itself is quite old) but I'll look into it later.

- It says that the Names precede the universe, but in which scan? I can't find it.

Here. The saying that the world was born of darkness suggests that names already existed before the universe they lived in were formed so they are independent of its influence while the names themselves can alter the value of "everything".

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

I have another question:
Can Dante and Vergil adapt/counter hax well above 45+ layers with their Reactive Evolution, or would it be a wank/no-limit fallacy to say that?

as far as I understand the page, the NFL would be to say that Dante can gain resistance to something he never encountered before (like subjective reality, plot manipulation or information type 2), otherwise abilities that have already been showcased in verse are a free pass. Of course this doesn't mean Dante will get the ability to adapt to 70 layers in an instant or something similar, more like one layer at a time (which basically will never happen because duh)

Like the page says, it's a case by cases basis

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

as far as I understand the page, the NFL would be to say that Dante can gain resistance to something he never encountered before (like subjective reality, plot manipulation or information type 2), otherwise abilities that have already been showcased in verse are a free pass. Of course this doesn't mean Dante will get the ability to adapt to 70 layers in an instant or something similar, more like one layer at a time (which basically will never happen because duh)

Like the page says, it's a case by cases basis

So let's imagine that Dante is facing a character much weaker than him stats-wise, but that this character has 70+ layers of passive fear and Dante is already affected by that from the start of the fight, how does he get out of it?

Here. The saying that the world was born of darkness suggests that names already existed before the universe they lived in were formed so they are independent of its influence while the names themselves can alter the value of "everything".

Why would that suggest that?

 

[Apotheosis69]

So let's imagine that Dante is facing a character much weaker than him stats-wise, but that this character has 70+ layers of passive fear and Dante is already affected by that from the start of the fight, how does he get out of it?

He can't...

 

[Hecky2222]

He can't...

Aura diff so it bypasses hax layers

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

So let's imagine that Dante is facing a character much weaker than him stats-wise, but that this character has 70+ layers of passive fear and Dante is already affected by that from the start of the fight, how does he get out of it?

He doesn't? He would be affected from the very beginning and while we have seen him adapt to shit in seconds in this case he would need to adapt to over 30 layers of fear hax before he can do that.

Would he be able to do it? Probably? RE standards don't prevent it. Would he do it in a timely manner (like relevant for a versus match)? Don't think so, matches just need the other party to be incapacitated for like 1 hour to 1 day.

Why would that suggest that?

I think the idea is that Names predate the demon world as we know it since the Qliphoth made the demon world what it is today (not created, just molded it) and is the source of all life while Names are actually just some kind of universal constants that Demons mold themselves after.

The darkness being the earliest iteration known of the demon world and still being the same today and all that would at least imply Names predate it to some degree.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

He doesn't? He would be affected from the very beginning and while we have seen him adapt to shit in seconds in this case he would need to adapt to over 30 layers of fear hax before he can do that.

Would he be able to do it? Probably? RE standards don't prevent it. Would he do it in a timely manner (like relevant for a versus match)? Don't think so, matches just need the other party to be incapacitated for like 1 hour to 1 day.

Okay.

But there's one thing I still don't understand about how layers are supposed to work in this version.

It's the cases where more powerful characters are affected by the hax of weaker characters, even though layers are supposed to be tied to power scaling according to the blog.

I think the idea is that Names predate the demon world as we know it since the Qliphoth made the demon world what it is today (not created, just molded it) and is the source of all life while Names are actually just some kind of universal constants that Demons mold themselves after.

The darkness being the earliest iteration known of the demon world and still being the same today and all that would at least imply Names predate it to some degree.

I still don't see how that would mean that the Names precede the darkness?

 

[Netoriman]

Capcom forgot to congratulate DMC V for 11 million and carrying sales for the year. So here, congratulations DMC V!


Capcom will continue to grow their IPs such Monster Hunter, Resident Evil, Street Fighter & DMC.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

I've finally finished all the Devil May Cry games.

 

[Hecky2222]

Capcom forgot to congratulate DMC V for 11 million and carrying sales for the year. So here, congratulations DMC V!


Capcom will continue to grow their IPs such Monster Hunter, Resident Evil, Street Fighter & DMC.

Genuinely surprised how DMC5 overtook Resident Evil 2 ngl

 

[BlackDarkness679]

I've finally finished all the Devil May Cry games.

And how much you gonna disagree with what was established?

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

And how much you gonna disagree with what was established?

I wouldn't disagree with anything, except perhaps about the layers and names, as I have trouble understanding how these things are addressed here.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Okay.

But there's one thing I still don't understand about how layers are supposed to work in this version.

It's the cases where more powerful characters are affected by the hax of weaker characters, even though layers are supposed to be tied to power scaling according to the blog.

Not so much power scaling as it is demonic power. More juice = more potent stuff = layers with the whole events of Volume 2 being the best example of that

Now, there are probably examples of that as you said (and shit, no verse is consistent) and I remember many just by DMC1 in which fodder are hinted/stated as dangerous or outright deadly to Dante.

So it can be either cases of old games doing game stuff (like DMC1 in which some fodder is stated to be able to easily consume Dante's soul) or a case of Dante fooling around and letting himself be struck by stuff (which I think we already added as a weakness for him).

Other than that I don't think there are cases of weaker characters having affected stronger ones?

I still don't see how that would mean that the Names precede the darkness?

That's what I understood of the blog explanation but granted I didn't really care to check it out so...

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Now, there are probably examples of that as you said (and shit, no verse is consistent) and I remember many just by DMC1 in which fodder are hinted/stated as dangerous or outright deadly to Dante.

That's just game files explaining Goomba stuff, it's not like by lore those demons can kill Dante. They couldn't even kill Tony.

Other than that I don't think there are cases of weaker characters having affected stronger ones?

Malphas vs V/Nightmare getting nulled.

Beastheads protecting Beryl against Void Mundus explosion

Beastheads retrocoging Young Mundus and copying Sparda skills.

Beastheads resisting Power Null Gel even though Dante got nulled,

Dante resisting Anti-Magic despite technically weaker and out of juice than Chen/Beastheads in that moment due to injuries who got erased by anti-magic

Dice game vs Nero, Nero always needing to play. Despite being stronger and having Yamato which should destroy Dice game but can't.

Mundus generals resisting Bangle of Time and Nelo adapting later.

That's all I could remember in the moment.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Malphas vs V/Nightmare getting nulled.

V IS weaker and Nightmare relies on him to do stuff, no a good example

Beastheads protecting Beryl against Void Mundus explosion

P L O T

Beastheads retrocoging Young Mundus and copying Sparda skills.

I mean, no one but Dante has resistance to the beastheads cosmic awareness stuff and no one has resistance to power mimicry

Beastheads resisting Power Null Gel even though Dante got nulled,

eehhhh uuuuhhhhh hmmmmmmmm

Dante resisting Anti-Magic despite technically weaker and out of juice than Chen/Beastheads in that moment due to injuries who got erased by anti-magic

he got a resistance to it, also Chen/Beastheads were about to die remember? Dante killed Chen and the Beastheads was forced to run away

Dice game vs Nero, Nero always needing to play. Despite being stronger and having Yamato which should destroy Dice game but can't.

According to deadly fortune the whole dice game doesn't exist inside the savior

Mundus generals resisting Bangle of Time and Nelo adapting later.

I mean, the bangle of time isn't Dante's own power more so as it is the item

that's all I could remember in the moment.

 

[SuperSonicTL]

I wouldn't disagree with anything, except perhaps about the layers and names, as I have trouble understanding how these things are addressed here.

Layers aren't my matter so I won't address it but cm type 1 comes from the fact that Names are ideas that represents one's power and are closest thing to their very being. These Names are independent from the part of reality they govern (Human World) and precedes it entirely. Hence, independent universal concept. There is also the fact that Dante can use his powers outside of his own timeline says plenty about its nature.

 

[Unoriginal777]

Okay.

But there's one thing I still don't understand about how layers are supposed to work in this version.

It's the cases where more powerful characters are affected by the hax of weaker characters, even though layers are supposed to be tied to power scaling according to the blog.



I still don't see how that would mean that the Names precede the darkness?

Getting off for the moment, but the emphasis for names is moreso that they precede/predate reality which in this case is the Human World by emphasis. Type 1 CM only requires that the concept is independent of the thing it reshapes and as far as the HW is concerned it is very much independent.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

V IS weaker and Nightmare relies on him to do stuff, no a good example

Physical Body yes, magic no. In M17 boss fight, his cane alone is able to power them up for lasts stand.

P L O T

Still doesn't change the fact that BH is weaker than VM, still fate hax works.

I mean, no one but Dante has resistance to the beastheads cosmic awareness stuff and no one has resistance to power mimicry

Doesn't change the fact that BH is part of Mundus power and it still works on him, despite Mundus >> his creations statement.

he got a resistance to it, also Chen/Beastheads were about to die remember? Dante killed Chen and the Beastheads was forced to run away

Which proves RE doesn't always reply on raw power or something.

According to deadly fortune the whole dice game doesn't exist inside the savior

Novel also says Dante is as weak as other characters.

I mean, the bangle of time isn't Dante's own power more so as it is the item

Uses his magic.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Other than that I don't think there are cases of weaker characters having affected stronger ones?

Dante and Vergil in DMC3.

In the manga, they were affected by the Sins' hax, and Dante was affected by Alice's life absorption. In the game, Dante can be affected by Geryon's time slow and Nevan's life absorption.

Layers aren't my matter so I won't address it but cm type 1 comes from the fact that Names are ideas that represents one's power and are closest thing to their very being. These Names are independent from the part of reality they govern (Human World) and precedes it entirely. Hence, independent universal concept. There is also the fact that Dante can use his powers outside of his own timeline says plenty about its nature.

Getting off for the moment, but the emphasis for names is moreso that they precede/predate reality which in this case is the Human World by emphasis. Type 1 CM only requires that the concept is independent of the thing it reshapes and as far as the HW is concerned it is very much independent.

But why treat them as such when they are just "semi" fundamental aspects that only concern the physical power/appearance of demons? I don't understand how that means they are independent concepts that govern the Human World.

 

[KLOL506]

Profiles shouldn't be locked. If they are, I'll unlock them when it's time. Just make sure the edits are applied.

Tier 1 profiles are mandated to be locked due to the controversy they stir up.

 

[KLOL506]

Come debunk me, I’m asking for proof and I’m not trolling.


This is literally the only community where someone destroys a wall or an island and suddenly they’re multiversal level. It’s ridiculous.


Once again, prove that I’m wrong, prove that I’m talking nonsense.
Show me actual evidence from DMC4 or DMC5 of any character who can destroy a planet or a universe. You won’t, because there’s none.


If Dante got hit by a nuclear bomb, he’d die instantly. The only weapon in DMC that has anything close to divine or reality-warping power is Yamato, since it can cut through dimensions.


Anyway, I can’t wait to see Death Battle where Clive wipes out Dante, because Clive’s power is way closer to the divine than anything Dante has ever shown.

I know this comment is like 3 months old but, blud, ragebaiting in the big 26? You're not getting anywhere far with this kinda attitude

 

[Random-Helper323]

Tier 1 profiles are mandated to be locked due to the controversy they stir up.

I meant they're not locked to start with. When I said they shouldn't be locked I meant they most likely weren't at the time of my making that statement. The context of the statement was that people were having trouble editing the pages.

 

[SuperSonicTL]

But why treat them as such when they are just "semi" fundamental aspects that only concern the physical power/appearance of demons? I don't understand how that means they are independent concepts that govern the Human World.

They’re treated as more than "semi" fundamental because their function isn’t limited to enhancing physical traits or power. Names operate as abstract identifiers that can actively reshape reality and redefine existence.

The main idea here is that Names are shown to change the world and the value of everything within it while changes to the world do not retroactively alter the Name itself. Hence, names function independently of the Human World rather than as properties produced by it.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Names operate as abstract identifiers that can actively reshape reality and redefine existence.

In which scans is this stated and/or shown?

 

[SuperSonicTL]

I know this comment is like 3 months old but, blud, ragebaiting in the big 26? You're not getting anywhere far with this kinda attitude

... Why did you tagged a 3 month old comment randomly?

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

... Why did you tagged a 3 month old comment randomly?

he has tagged year old comments randomely