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Devil May Cry Discussion Thread

Hecky2222 said:
All except are baseline?
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SuperSonicTL said:
Not really? There is a huge scaling chain from the weakest to strongest characters who scales to Underworld. I believe @Tony_di_bugalu can explain you better about it.
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It's just the good ol "my infinity is bigger than yours", I think? **** me if I know how tier 1 works now a days.

Assuming demon world is the baseline then you have

EoG Dante > Fruit Urizen > 1 month of blood Urizen > Urizen (after 1 day of getting constantly pumped with blood by the Qliphoth) > Urizen (some hours getting blood) = DMC 5 prologue Dante > DMC 4 Dante > DMC 2 Dante > Chen > Vol 2 Dante (casually stomps void Mundus) > Void Mundus (is the Demon world energy/nexus) > Sparda~ DT Anime Dante (one shots abigail/sid) > Anime Dante = Sparda DT Dante > Full power Mundus = The Despair Embodied = Abigail/Sid > Sealed Mundus (casually one shots DMC1 Dante) > DMC 1 Dante > Nelo Angelo > Sealed Argosax = pluto > Nightmare > Demon world

That's the basics of the scaling, the meat of the wank comes with Urizen before and after the first hours getting amped by blood to fight Dante.

Urizen is the demonic half of an almost dead Nelo Angelo/Vergil (4-A). Basically this Urizen wouldn't even be in this scale and V even thought he could defeat him using Nightmare. After a few hours of getting blood this Urizen grew to the point where he could fight DMC 5 Dante on even grounds, during this fight Urizen kept getting more and more blood which, as shown above, is a tremendous power boost.

Dante's own reactive evolution allowed him to keep up with this power boost for around 25 hours per the game's timeline, after that he gets knocked out. When he wakes up Urizen has grown even stronger than before to the point he easily swatted Dante like a fly and this happens in the moments that Nero gets destroyed by Urizen. And when he wakes up again Dante is knocked out by just breaking the forcefield Urizen has further showing how much stronger Urizen gets in mere moments.

Now Urizen keeps getting this stupidly big power boost for a month, fortunately for Dante he also got said power boost as the tree confused Dante and Urizen (as they are brothers) and also made a throne for him.

After that, Urizen goes and eats the fruit which is considered THE godly power boost compared to the tree and he still lost to Dante after the 1 month coma.
 
Netoriman said:
PoC gives us the Chaos timeline in Count Thunder's story.
Broken Gear from V's campaign is stated to be a time artifact.

-So far on the Broken Gear, it can send you to different time periods, timelines, also let's you see into them and is seemly sentient. (I guess this is because it's possibly a part of the demon Lord Maltida defeated and sealed, so it's soul or whatever)

-Beowulf wanted it lol

-Pluto mentions someone called Chaos to DMC 3 Vergil, could be Lord Chaos?

-PoC campaign ends after the Devil Mite boss fight, before that Dante sees Pluto, Medea and DMC 3 Vergil, could be what the Broken Gear was showing Count Thunder Vergil.

-The Broken Gear seems to be part of the 6 sacred artifacts if you compare the outline resemblance. The 6 artifacts were created by this Matriarch Maltida, she defeated and sealed this demon Lord's power into 6 of the artifacts, one of which being the Book of Demons.
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Netoriman said:
Count Thunder

Count Thunder seems to just be a style akin to Vergil's Dark Slayer and Dante's other styles as noted on this description.

Broken Gear

It seems likely by its silhouette but if the Broken Gear is part of the 6 sacred artifacts Matilda sealed a demon Lord's power in.

Having it as an item like the Book of Demons which is one of the 6 artifacts, could be a thing, there's another chapter to Count Thunder's story so there's more to learn.

From what I can muck up for now....

Broken Gear - Allows its user to travel through time, different timelines or see into the future or past. Broken Gear does this (I presume) through the Memory Corridor, which it's user traverses.

Time Travel
1.Sends V back from DMC V (since that's when he was created around)
2. V comments about being in the same place but at a different time after being sent back.

Precognition
3.Vergil sees himself fight Pluto in the future, and when he stabs Dante with the Yamato at the end of the Count Thunder mission.
4. At the start of V's mission he sees himself obtaining the Broken Gear, then gets it at the end of the first mission.

Dimensional Travel
5.Vergil: Count Thunder goes Into the Memory Corridor to access the Chaos timeline.

Retrocognition
6. V uses the Broken Gear and sees a DMC 3 era Vergil fighting Pluto. (I presume is the past to V)

Would this class for abilities as Time Travel, Dimensional Travel, Precognition and Retrocognition?

Memory Corridor

Time Travel
1. Memory Corridor letting the hunters fight enemies from the past.

(?) Need to watch the chapter as to why he uses it and what he does.
2. Dante going through the Memory Corridor in chapter 14


Hellfilth note
One of the nightmares demon thingies Hellfilth creates is Nightmare Calibur, the non nightmare Calibur is introduced in the Chaos timeline as the Shadow of Calamity. Guess a nod to her statement about her wondering beyond time and space is since she is able to create things from other timelines.
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@SuperSonicTL
Some old stuff about the Chaos Timeline, the offical PoC has a little more on the story aspect of the mission.
Taken from page 43.
Note that my interpretation here is probably dated for some of the above, as this was 2 years back.
 
Netoriman said:
Agni Rudra Dante came out today with the Chaos Timeline side story.

Lily states that the place they're in is a rift between worlds with a different time and space system.



Then some new countless and boundless statements in weapon/character lore.


Charon the ferryman of the River Styx, collects countless demon souls from the river which is a river of time?



The strongest Agni Rudra weapon type unleashes boundless energy



Then Dante fighting an endless war at one point (he has a cool demon bat aura if you look at the outfit in motion)


Endless demon tide?


Dante fought countless battles
https://imgur.com/a/SHzBBZy
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@SuperSonicTL
Page 45.
I can't check if these Imgur links even work, as the UK has outlawed the site.
 
I forgot you were doing those, nice

Also the 6 relics of Mathilda are kinda known by now, at least 3 of them

The Broken Gear aka The Time Artifact, The Space Artifact (the one Medea has), The Book of Demons (currently in possession of Dante) and 3 unknown items.

Hopefully now that the Hellfilth side story is over we can go back to the main PoC story
 
Netoriman said:
With the end of the Chaos Timeline story, Hellfilth comes in question.

I've been noting most of the Chaos Timeline appearances, the appearances have been linked with the Broken Gear as it allows it's user get there via portals.

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Vergil: Count Thunder

CT Vergil uses it first in his side story, after traversing the Memory Corridor and then arriving in the following unique areas and eventually reoccurring areas, Edge of Darkness, Ruins of Agony, Chaos Plaza and Twilight Altar.



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Dante: Destined Executioner

Lily then has possession of the Broken Gear in part 2 of the Dante's Destined Executioner story, using it in the Unknown Ground area to traverse through the same places CT Vergil went after getting to the Chaos Timeline, the areas Dante and Lily go through is the Edge of Darkness and Ruins of Agony.

Part 3 of the Destined Executioner has Vergil suddenly ambushed and taken by Hellfilth after Dante and Vergil's fight, this occurs at the Clock Tower area.



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V: Charismatic Ally
V uses the Broken Gear to track down Nightmares and other stuff...he travels to the Twilight Altar to fight Nightmare Phantom, the scan for this is in the Theories section at the bottom of the post.

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Dante: Blazing Tempest

Dante travelling with Lily who is still in possession of the Broken Gear, in the Blazing Tempest side story, starts him off in the Ruins of Agony, Dante goes to a few other locations and finally at the Twilight Altar (for the 2nd time the player gets to this area in PoC) where Lily states they're in a rift between worlds, where the rules of time and space are different.



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Part 2 of the Blazing Tempest side story Lily and Dante form a plan to get another demon artefact, Lily states they need energy, the energy they collect is Chaos energy from defeating demons in the Ruins of Agony.



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Part 3, Dante and Lily arrive in the Nightmare space, the area they're in is called the Nightmare Shore, as they traverse ahead they get to an area familiar to Coop boss players, Hellfilth's boss arena which has an area name of the Nightmare Balcony (the Hellfilth boss fight doesn't name any of the areas, so only now we are getting the names for these areas). Lily mentions that this realm has a master, and said master doesn't want to meet Dante and Lily.



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Random theories I was thinking of whilst playing through..

With our prior knowledge of Hellfilth through her description in the strategy guide, we know she is the source of all Nightmares, and the Nightmare space she has control over is her domain.

I'm going to say the Edge of Darkness, Ruins of Agony, Chaos Plaza and Twilight Altar areas are within the Chaos Timeline, with other areas being part of it too, but I can't be definite on the others, so they won't be used in the Theories.


Theory 1

In part 3 of Blazing Tempest, Lily and Dante stop traversing the Chaos Timeline and end up using the Broken Gear to travel to Hellfilth's Nightmare world/realm/space, which is completely separate from the Chaos Timeline.

Theory 2

The Chaos Timeline is Hellfilth's realm/domain.

Reasoning- In part 2 of Blazing Tempest, the Ruins of Agony and Twilight Altar areas have the mission objective of explore the mysterious space, when you reach part 3 of BT, this mission objective changes to Nightmare space meaning that the Chaos Timeline CT Vergil, CA V got to is the Nightmare Space.

Counter- The mysterious space can still mean the Chaos Timeline as the Nightmare space is only revealed after Dante/Lily get to the Nightmare Shore/Balcony.


Reasoning- Hellfilth is able to traverse the Chaos Timeline freely like when she randomly appeared in the Clock Tower without being in possession of the Broken Gear, which shouldn't be possibly without the Broken Gear unless she in fact is the master of the Chaos Timeline.

Counter- This could be explained that in her strategy guide description, she is stated to wander beyond time and space and could just be moving through timelines/realms/whatever due to her power.


Random baseless reasoning - Taking into consideration her vast magnitude of power, being the source of all Nightmares and the embodiment of fear, her having nightmare versions of Demon lords such as Nightmare Calibur, where the normal Calibur first appeared in the Chaos Plaza (Chaos Timeline) story wise, and this statement stating that all demons have nightmare versions of themselves, in V's Charismatic Ally story (minor note that the demons she created, all have a more powerful move set and more expansive abilities than the original)

Then getting slightly into the metaphysical aspect of Nightmares/dreams in DMC, Nightmares are transcendental beings, can exist independently from their original and retain all the memories from them too, even after the originals death, like when Nightmare Phantom (who appears at the Twilight Altar) remembered V killing the OG in the Visions of V manga and the statement that they exist in a separate realm which I got from this statement I've borrowed from Palito266's blog. Said realm which could be the one Hellfilth created as she is the source of all nightmares.

https://imgur.com/a/p0uzX5w

https://imgur.com/S8A97vN


Counter- This reasoning of mine is mainly just assumption based on her power, reach and interference with the Chaos Timeline so far in the story, PoC could easily state otherwise in future side stories.


I personally believe 1, that it's separate and Hellfilth has her own separate thing. The Chaos Timeline is separate.



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Chaos Timeline attributes

-Has a different time and space to ours.
-So far you can only get there by using the Broken Gear.
-Contains Chaos energy, said energy was able to be harvested from Demons in the Ruins of Agony area and others.
-Links to Hellfilth via Nightmares appearing within it and her just moving around it.
-Called Chaos Space-Time in the JP version
-Various Demons spawn from it, meaning it should have it's own demon world as demons originate from there, the Demon crystal's scattered around also suggest high concentrates of demonic power as crystallised demon blood is that.


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@SuperSonicTL I saw your theory about the Chaos Timeline being the DW, you mentioned no mention of DW throughout PoC, I found this if that's sufficient?

https://imgur.com/a/Mke7rX4
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@SuperSonicTL
Can't believe I was this into PoC.
Page 47.
@Tony_di_bugalu these were old, just that Sonic asked for some Chaos Timeline stuff.
 
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AFAIK none, we already added most of everything that is in the verse. I tried going for Information type 2 but it didn't qualify which was fine by me.

The other thing is some resistance to absorption which is gonna happen later, besides that there is nothing else.

Regeneration needs to be updated to High-Godly since sonic made it so Soul are housing the Name which means anyone coming back gets high godly but that needs to be a thread of its own.
 
Tony_di_bugalu said:
AFAIK none, we already added most of everything that is in the verse. I tried going for Information type 2 but it didn't qualify which was fine by me.

The other thing is some resistance to absorption which is gonna happen later, besides that there is nothing else.

Regeneration needs to be updated to High-Godly since sonic made it so Soul are housing the Name which means anyone coming back gets high godly but that needs to be a thread of its own.
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So almost everything for this verse is done
 
Tony_di_bugalu said:
Dante's own reactive evolution allowed him to keep up with this power boost for around 25 hours per the game's timeline, after that he gets knocked out.
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I disagree with that; it seems like headcanon to me tbh, especially regarding Dante's AD stats-based.

The only one who was actually increasing in power was Urizen, and he wasn't one-shotting Dante because he was just toying with him.
 
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