Devil May Cry Discussion Thread

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Not really

That's your personal opinion pal.

Dante didn't sense at all that Vergil had returned in DMC5, so it doesn't prove much.

This is a Red Herring. Vergil didn't appear in front of Dante for him to recognise.
Dante is in Capulet City, Vergil went to Nero in Fortuna and Urizen openned Qlipoth in Redgrave City. Vastly different locations.

Like I said this is a Red Herring, distraction from the points I braught up.

Simple question, why doesn't Dante see or sense their undestroyed remains right in front of him, physical or metaphysical.

Nelo's body and/or soul could very well have disappeared elsewhere in the vastness of the Demon World.

Conjecture without any proof whatsoever. A contrarian take with evidence denying it altogther. Such mechanic isn't even cited. We know entire context of matter is around damage and death. Not around wierd BFR.

Dante was able to sense Mundus because of the latter's killing intent and because he was approaching the Human World at the same time.

Then why didn't this happen when Dante was crying over Trish?

Why didn't Mundus immediately jump Dante then and there?

Why was Dante so self assured that he left Sparda like a tombstone over Trish's body, sacrificing his only weapon capable of killing Mundus?

Why Dante still not in combat mode after defeating Mundus still?

Why Mundus was not sensed if he existed?

Why the time gap between both events?

Why assume anything else when we have evidence pointing to otherwise?

As if Mundus only returned after sometime because maybe he was regenerating?

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

That's your personal opinion pal.

Show the statements, then.

This is a Red Herring. Vergil didn't appear in front of Dante for him to recognise.
Dante is in Capulet City, Vergil went to Nero in Fortuna and Urizen openned Qlipoth in Redgrave City. Vastly different locations.

Like I said this is a Red Herring, distraction from the points I braught up.

Simple question, why doesn't Dante see or sense their undestroyed remains right in front of him, physical or metaphysical.

Conjecture without any proof whatsoever. A contrarian take with evidence denying it altogther. Such mechanic isn't even cited. We know entire context of matter is around damage and death. Not around wierd BFR.

All we see in the cutscene is Nelo no longer being there and nothing else is said about what happened. Nelo could very well have disappeared elsewhere, far away from Dante. To say that he was completely destroyed because Dante didn't sense him is pure speculation.

Then why didn't this happen when Dante was crying over Trish?

Why didn't Mundus immediately jump Dante then and there?

Why was Dante so self assured that he left Sparda like a tombstone over Trish's body, sacrificing his only weapon capable of killing Mundus?

Why Dante still not in combat mode after defeating Mundus still?

Why Mundus was not sensed if he existed?

Because Mundus wasn't yet approaching the Human World, quite simply? The only time Dante sensed Mundus in the whole game was when the latter approached the Human World with a strong killing intent.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Show the statements, then.

I don't feel obligated to post the link. You know what it is.

All we see in the cutscene is Nelo no longer being there and nothing else is said about what happened.

The teleportation from first two fights is distinctly different from 3rd fight. It's quite clear Nelo was blown apart, with his own energy going haywire and ripping itself until it's gone. Even his amulet falls down.

Also story beats are thing, let's not act media illiterate here.

Nelo could very well have disappeared elsewhere, far away from Dante.

Could have, would have.

Never saying "this is what happened, here is proof or atleast context for implication".

Do you have proof to justify your conjectures?

To say that he was completely destroyed because Dante didn't sense him is pure speculation.

So many blatant sense feat for characters are speculation now? Extremely ubiquitous and prevalent mechanics of verse from attacks -> damage -> death -> aftermath etc are speculation now?

Why are you reversing burden of proof? We have done our part supporting our assertions. I have yet to see some genuine proof on your part to prove your positions, especially something that doesn't rely on hand waving the opposition or twisting the the existing evidence.

Because Mundus wasn't yet approaching the Human World, quite simply? The only time Dante sensed Mundus was when the latter approached the Human World with a strong killing intent.

You just repeated yourself from earlier. I broke down the entire scenario you cute into bite sized questions. You didn't answer them. You might want to read them again and reflect on them.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

I don't feel obligated to post the link. You know what it is.

For Nelo, the only thing I know that was used to try to prove he was completely destroyed is a scan that says he "disappeared without any trace." An expression we use almost all the time when someone disappears in real life (and we don't assume they've been EE).

For Mundus, the only thing I know and have seen used is a scan that says he "disappeared into the void in agony" or something like that. It's vague as hell.

The teleportation from first two fights is distinctly different from 3rd fight. It's quite clear Nelo was blown apart, with his own energy going haywire and ripping itself until it's gone. Even his amulet falls down.

Also story beats are thing, let's not act media illiterate here.

We only see his entire body disappear, with his armor still intact, because Agnus found remains of it as confirmed in Deadly Fortune. If his armor wasn't destroyed, there's no reason to assume his body and soul was.

Could have, would have.

Never saying "this is what happened, here is proof or atleast context for implication".

Do you have proof to justify your conjectures?

There is no concrete evidence that it was completely destroyed either.

So many blatant sense feat for characters are speculation now? Extremely ubiquitous and prevalent mechanics of verse from attacks -> damage -> death -> aftermath etc are speculation now?

Why are you reversing burden of proof? We have done our part supporting our assertions. I have yet to see some genuine proof on your part to prove your positions, especially something that doesn't rely on hand waving the opposition or twisting the the existing evidence.

Nothing proves that he was completely destroyed, and the only argument you use is that Dante couldn't sense him, assuming for some reason that Nelo would still be present in that room if he wasn't destroyed when he could very well have been elsewhere (which would also explain why Dante didn't sense him).

You just repeated yourself from earlier. I broke down the entire scenario you cute into bite sized questions. You didn't answer them. You might want to read them again and reflect on them.

I answered yes. Dante didn't sense Mundus after their first fight (neither in the Demon World nor in the Human World) because Mundus wasn't yet heading towards him with a huge killing intent (as in literally the entire game).

You're the one ignoring my answer.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

For Nelo, the only thing I know that was used to try to prove he was completely destroyed is a scan that says he "disappeared without any trace." An expression we use almost all the time when someone disappears in real life (and we don't assume they've been EE).

Such peak of disingenuousness.

Why don't you post the entire statements. Cherry picking convinient parts of statements and ignoring rest of incriminating context to make your case. And making the most plebian interpretation based on context-opposite meaning of phrases.

How many times had this been the attack that he had unleashed? Dante's slash, unselfishly unleashed, finally inflicted a fatal wound on the Demon Emperor's strong body. Mundus, sensing his doom, vanished into the void in agony.This was the end of the decisive battle.

I hope I don't have to break out a disctionary and explain meaning of each word in the given context when written in that order.

With darkness spewing from his body, the jet-black knight was approaching his final hour. The glow of life in his voice finally burned out completely, and his body disappeared without a trace.

Explicit description of Nelo's "final hour" death.
"Glow of life" is life force/Aura/Soul. Which burned out completely. That's metaphysical.
Body disappeared without trace is physical destruction. Text and video scene are explicit. Difference between teleportation and explosion are explicit.

Don't be disingenuous.

There is no concrete evidence that it was completely destroyed either.

You are just reinforcing inaccurate narratives by repeating them.

Nothing proves that he was completely destroyed, and the only argument you use is that Dante couldn't sense him, assuming for some reason that Nelo would still be present in that room if he wasn't destroyed when he could very well have been elsewhere (which would also explain why Dante didn't sense him).

Proof of BFR/Teleportation?

I answered yes. Dante didn't sense Mundus after their first fight (neither in the Demon World nor in the Human World) because Mundus wasn't yet heading towards him with a huge killing intent (as in literally the entire game).

You're the one ignoring my answer.

No you are ignoring my questions. If you are so confident, why don't you answer them individually. You are chickening out and deflecting.

I never denied what Mundus did. I asked why Mundus didn't do it earlier. What prevented him from attacking Dante then and there?

We only see his entire body disappear, with his armor still intact, because Agnus found remains of it as confirmed in Deadly Fortune. If his armor wasn't destroyed, there's no reason to assume his body and/or soul was.

Machiavelli and Mundus made countless Black Angel variants and clones. No proof they belonged to the original.
Even if they did. They are still not Vergil's body. Nelo Angelo was Vergil's corrupted and mind raped and name changed soul put in a Black Angel demon. That body was not even his own.

Year later Vergil returned as himself, not with Nelo name or body and with his memories restored and mind control gone.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Hakim you are stubbornly biased at this point, you are literally no different from the G1 people who make shit up and go against something with headcanons

If you are so sure you can change things, either do a CRT or simply shut up genuinely, cuz your comments and interpretations dont cook at all

 

[RedReaper616]

We said the Savior had "absorbed" the demons' bodies because they were within him. Demons still had their souls; it was just melted and fused with the Savior as with their bodies. Nero was able to regenerate gradually from the moment he took Yamato, which means that the latter likely recharged him with demonic energy (like here or here).

I know I’m mad late, but this is just blatantly untrue. It’s explicitly stated Nero’s consciousness (and thus Soul) started to come into being because of Resonance, (due to Dante holding Yamato), and then Dante has to literally split him from the Savior so Nero can regenerate/reform his melted Soul and Body. This connection between Sword and Soul, as well as between Blood, is foreshadowed way earlier in the Novel when Nero dies, as that is when Resonance is established to exist. Which Dante then states, after splitting his essence, that everything from that point (splitting his essence), Nero was doing on his own.

Yamato didn’t recharge Nero. Nero started to manifest his Soul even after being melted from Resonance, and then Dante used Yamato to cut Nero out on a metaphysical level, allowing Nero to physically and spiritually regenerate.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

I know I’m mad late, but this is just blatantly untrue. It’s explicitly stated Nero’s consciousness (and thus Soul) started to come into being because of Resonance, (due to Dante holding Yamato), and then Dante has to literally split him from the Savior so Nero can regenerate/reform his melted Soul and Body. This connection between Sword and Soul, as well as between Blood, is foreshadowed way earlier in the Novel when Nero dies, as that is when Resonance is established to exist. Which Dante then states, after splitting his essence, that everything from that point (splitting his essence), Nero was doing on his own.

Yamato didn’t recharge Nero. Nero started to manifest his Soul even after being melted from Resonance, and then Dante used Yamato to cut Nero out on a metaphysical level, allowing Nero to physically and spiritually regenerate.

This also patently proves that Nelo Angelo completely died out when he exploded. Which is why Dante is sad and nostalgic. If Nelo's/Vergil's spirit was alive or something Dante would have sensed and recognised him, not just based on senses but based on this spiritual familial connection.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Didnt Dante say in 5 he had a hunch who Nero was, but was sure after seeing Yamato reacting to him?

 

[RedReaper616]

Didnt Dante say in 5 he had a hunch who Nero was, but was sure after seeing Yamato reacting to him?

Yeah, and he said when he first saw him, I believe, which is the start of DMC4–Because he’s actually hidden in the Nero fighting cutscene, watching him battle Demons.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

are we forgetting Nero only regenerated after Dante gave him a Name back? or I am in another dimension again and that never happened here

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

DmC Reboot fanboys lick your wounds because next is Vergin's Spatial Hax.

 

[Random-Helper323]

DmC Reboot fanboys

So, Antionides, Itsuno, and that guy who headed Capcom's push towards being more Western back then, the push that ended with that guy being fired after he almost killed multiple major franchises?

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Explicit description of Nelo's "final hour" death.
"Glow of life" is life force/Aura/Soul. Which burned out completely. That's metaphysical.
Body disappeared without trace is physical destruction. Text and video scene are explicit. Difference between teleportation and explosion are explicit.

This connection between Sword and Soul, as well as between Blood, is foreshadowed way earlier in the Novel when Nero dies, as that is when Resonance is established to exist.

Well, I have to admit I was wrong, not because I am disingenuous, but because I was too focused on the end of the last sentence (his body disappeared without a trace) and therefore overlooked the rest. Also this passage from Deadly Fortune confirms Vergil's death in DMC1, since Dante compares Nero's death to that of his brother. So yeah, I was wrong, sorry.

Yamato didn’t recharge Nero. Nero started to manifest his Soul even after being melted from Resonance, and then Dante used Yamato to cut Nero out on a metaphysical level, allowing Nero to physically and spiritually regenerate.

Tbf, Nero did indeed reform his entire consciousness and body the moment he took Yamato, but I must also admit that his consciousness and body had already partially reformed when Dante called him by his name (which allowed him to take Yamato with his demonic arm to begin with) and that his consciousness had also already begun to reform a little bit via Resonance.

I hope I don't have to break out a disctionary and explain meaning of each word in the given context when written in that order.

I am illiterate, so yes, do it.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

or simply shut up genuinely

Come unleash your anger on me in Street Fighter 6

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Well glad we came to a mutual understanding on the topic.

It's good Reaper braught up this resonance bit, I am reminded of all the filthy wank I had cooked up around it. I will make Tony cry once reveal it.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Come unleash your anger on me in Street Fighter 6

You dont want these hands if I played like in rank

 

[Tanin_iver]

Come unleash your anger on me in Street Fighter 6

Any DoA players here?

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Well glad we came to a mutual understanding on the topic.

When I think about it, shouldn't the Sparda bloodline have regeneration equal to, if not greater than, Mundus's?

DMC1 Vergil took years to reform from nothing, but he was much weaker than Mundus; probably DMC5 Vergil, Dante, and Nero can reform as quickly as Mundus from nothing?

It's good Reaper braught up this resonance bit, I am reminded of all the filthy wank I had cooked up around it. I will make Tony cry once reveal it.

When?

You dont want these hands if I played like in rank

Don't hold back.

Any DoA players here?

Dead or Alive?

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Any DoA players here?

Ninja Gaiden and Dead or Alive discussion

Discussion thread for Ninja Gaiden or Dead or Alive.

vsbattles.com

Maybe here some of them play it

 

[Ang4I00]

When I think about it, shouldn't the Sparda bloodline have regeneration equal to, if not greater than, Mundus's?

DMC1 Vergil took years to reform from nothing, but he was much weaker than Mundus; probably DMC5 Vergil, Dante, and Nero can reform as quickly as Mundus from nothing?

Pretty sure all of them already have high tier demon physiology which includes Mundus's regen so yeah

 

[Tanin_iver]

DMC1 Vergil took years to reform from nothing,

Did he tho? I mean we assume he did. But, it could also be the case of just scarred/regen negged by stronger characters whose wounds he couldn't heal all this time, similar to the likes of Bolverk or Beowulf perhaps.

Dead or Alive?

Yup.

Maybe here some of them play it

Hmmm.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Did he tho? I mean we assume he did. But, it could also be the case of just scarred/regen negged by stronger characters whose wounds he couldn't heal all this time, similar to the likes of Bolverk or Beowulf perhaps.

I'm not sure, but are you saying that if Vergil took so long to regenerate, it was because of Dante regen neg? If that were the case, I think Vergil and Mundus wouldn't even have been able to reform at all in the first place.

I think Vergil and Mundus's bodies were completely destroyed on their own after their defeat against Dante, not that they were completely destroyed by Dante directly.

 

[Tanin_iver]

I'm not sure, but are you saying that if Vergil took so long to regenerate, it was because of Dante regen neg?

Dante destroyed Nelo Angelo, not Vergil.
Vergil scars when he comes back to HW may still have been from his encounter with Mundus or even defeat from other stronger Demons when he was in DW.

If that were the case, I think Vergil and Mundus wouldn't even have been able to reform at all in the first place.

Nelo Angelo and Humanoid with Wings Mundus got erased and they reformed back as Vergil and Umbrella Corp's Experimental specimen so they aren't the exact same thing tbh.

I think Vergil and Mundus's bodies were completely destroyed on their own after their defeat against Dante, not that they were completely destroyed by Dante directly.

It could be the case but it could also be like what I mentioned above.

 

[Lightning_XXI]

DmC Reboot fanboys

Who ?

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Dante destroyed Nelo Angelo, not Vergil.

Nelo Angelo and Humanoid with Wings Mundus got erased and they reformed back as Vergil and Umbrella Corp's Experimental specimen so they aren't the exact same thing tbh.

Nelo Angelo was still Vergil in a way, and if Mundus looked like that, it was surely due to the wounds inflicted by Dante.

Vergil scars when he comes back to HW may still have been from his encounter with Mundus

Yeah

It could be the case but it could also be like what I mentioned above.

We see Nelo and Mundus disappear after their defeat, so it wouldn't seem like it was directly done by Dante.

 

[Tanin_iver]

Nelo Angelo was still Vergil in a way

Yes, but metaphysically different as he was renamed as Nelo Angelo by Mundus.

and if Mundus looked like that, it was surely due to the wounds inflicted by Dante.

Yeah.

We see Nelo and Mundus disappear after their defeat, so it wouldn't seem like it was directly done by Dante.

I mean they didn't just disappear willingly, Dante's whooping did it one way or another.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Yes, but metaphysically different as he was renamed as Nelo Angelo by Mundus.

Mundus made Vergil the new Sparda and he had barely received a downgrade unlike Dante when he renamed himself Tony, so he was barely different metaphysically tbh.

I mean they didn't just disappear willingly, Dante's whooping did it one way or another.

They were beaten so badly that their bodies gave out. It just seems to be a domino/indirect effect.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Who ?

The Correct Response.

Btw started playing DMC 2 for the Storm Calc, and the game is very average - so far

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Btw started playing DMC 2 for the Storm Calc, and the game is very average - so far

Yeah, DMC2 isn't as bad as internet makes it out to be.

It isn't good, it isn't bad, it's average overall.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Yeah, DMC2 isn't as bad as internet makes it out to be.

It isn't good, it isn't bad, it's average overall.

Problem is Guns are so overpowered. In DMC 1, I used them to initiate or keep my combos going longer. Here they just annihilate everything.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Problem is Guns are so overpowered. In DMC 1, I used them to initiate or keep my combos going longer. Here they just annihilate everything.

You can just play without abusing the guns tho.

I have to admit the whole demon chopper fight is absolute dog shit and you are forced to use the guns tho

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Lol three pages later, how tf do you stone wall a topic thread with such dogshit arguements

Changing the topic, on my hands and knees praying for the hail mary that we get a DMC game announcement at the game awards

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Unless Kamiya wants to do a remake of his game, wishful thinking

 

[Huesito88]

on my hands and knees praying for the hail mary that we get a DMC game announcement at the game awards

Be careful of what you wish for Ben

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Lol three pages later, how tf do you stone wall a topic thread with such dogshit arguements

Changing the topic, on my hands and knees praying for the hail mary that we get a DMC game announcement at the game awards

Going through DMC 2. I will see if there any good feats. I also plan to do more downgrades for the reboots

 

[Huesito88]

I also plan to do more downgrades for the reboots

No upgrades?

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

No upgrades?

Possibly Concept Manip Type3 and whatever is in this sandbox:

LegendariumOfLies/DMCRebootSandbox

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Oh hell no, no more games.

Unless they are remakes, those are fine by me... or if they adapt the novels into proper games

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Lets be honest here, why would Capcom even think about the idea to greenlit the novels in a game

The DMC2 one is just a prequel to the game and Capcom wants to forget that game exists

The DMC4 one is just the game without cut content and flashing out stuff in it, its not adding more shit to it

The DMC5 one was like what, telling some events before the game while also about the past entries a few details

The prequel novel would need to change a few things like DMC5 did and even then how you even make a game of that Dante to live up to the other games