Devil May Cry Discussion Thread

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Wait, so were under this assumption that unsealing has to be some ritual act or chants or curses? Can it not be just thought or will?
Unseal the Demon with a thought?

In both cases it is an assumption because it is neither said nor shown that Vergil unseals it, he just allows it to take a name.

Yeah they have to ask him to give them their names. But Pride names himself? So why does he need the Sons of Sparda?
See the contradiction in your understanding.
They are asked to give them their names but because Vergil doesn't know the Demon's name he allowed(unsealed) the Demon to Name himself.

There is no contradiction in my understanding. The demon can name itself because Vergil allows it through his name manipulation, otherwise it could not.

At first the demon asks him to give him his name, but Vergil doesn't know his name so he allows him to take it back. If Vergil knew it he would have given it directly. If Vergil just needed to unseal the demon the latter would not have asked him to give him his name.

Just curious but do you think that in this entire scene, there is no sealing or unsealing going on. If however, you believe the act occurs how do you vision it occurs. I just want to understand your position better

Sparda took away their names and sealed them in a statue, and Vergil allowed them to take back their real names so that they could regain their power and destroy the statues that covered them. That's what I understand.

Lacks the intellect.

Fair

 

[Tanin_iver]

In both cases it is an assumption because it is neither said nor shown that Vergil unseals it, he just allows it to take a name.

There is no contradiction in my understanding. The demon can name itself because Vergil allows it through his name manipulation, otherwise it could not.

Ok, now I am getting what you mean. So your theory is that Vergil already activates name manip and just allows him to take a name.
But doesn't Mad Hatter's line imply that demons could name themself but could not because someone as powerful as Sparda had taken away their name.

At first the demon asks him to give him his name, but Vergil doesn't know his name so he allows him to take it back. If Vergil knew it he would have given it directly. If Vergil just needed to unseal the demon the latter would not have asked him to give him his name.

Sparda took away their names and sealed them in a statue, and Vergil allowed them to take back their real names so that they could regain their power and destroy the statues that covered them. That's what I understand.

Ohh, so that's how you interpret it.
Alright, then.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Nice.
Don't forget to add this. For the justification of the limited resistance to name manipulation in my thread, I think I'll give more precision like this: (Manipulating the demons' names only affects their physical statistics, not their powers and abilities: The demons that had their names removed by Sparda were immobile because they were nameless but they could still used their powers on Dante and Vergil. When Dante renamed himself as such after changing his name since his mother's death, he became stronger and faster, implying that changing your real name makes you less powerful.)

I already added that thread tho with the justification you made in that thread

Speaking of which, I hope this thing gets removed or there's some better justification:

Because it just says Mundus ran away and he was still badly wounded when he came back. There is no regeneration feat for Mundus here.

Because of several things.

First is that Mundus tried to run away but just couldn't his wings fall apart and his body starts disintegrating. Second is that Dante was there, if Mundus was able to run away Dante would have given chase again like he did at the beginning of the fight. Third is that the dimension they are in collapses which leaves no room to run away. Fourth it literally says Mundus vanishes into the void. Mundus was dying when he came back, unable to properly heal and that resulted in the demon world collapse too.

At least that's the reasoning behind it all. Given the whole metaphysical thread sonic made it all would end up as high-godly, no?

Also, I have a suggestion, what if we made a page for the Sparda Bloodline like was done for the Belmonts?

I would prefer to keep it all in the same page

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Teppen is a crossover card game...what stops other Capcom franchises to use info from there if DMC gets a pass, it isnt gonna be accepted as secondary canon, especially since crossovers need evidence of being canon to the parties involved

ye, no scaling to that kind of thing

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Can anyone take over this Sandbox for Reboot DMC Donte?
It is nearly finished. You just need to finish the Weapons Section.
I am just burnt out on the Reboot. It isn't fun to replay, and I have bunch of IRL Stuff I need to do.

LegendariumOfLies/DMCRebootSandbox

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[Tony_di_bugalu]

Can anyone take over this Sandbox for Reboot DMC Donte?
It is nearly finished. You just need to finish the Weapons Section.
I am just burnt out on the Reboot. It isn't fun to replay, and I have bunch of IRL Stuff I need to do.

LegendariumOfLies/DMCRebootSandbox

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I hate you >:V

I can probably do it since its mostly done and it only needs the weapons but it will take a long ass time before I start that up

 

[Hecky2222]

Hello guys. If immeasurable speed DMC was rejected can anyone explain me why immeasurable speed Argosax still on profile

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Hello guys. If immeasurable speed DMC was rejected can anyone explain me why immeasurable speed Argosax still on profile

The people who made the downgrades just wanted to make downgrade threads, editing profiles was too much for them

Also we will get immeasurable back

Also, also welcum to the wiki ig

 

[Hecky2222]

The people who made the downgrades just wanted to make downgrade threads, editing profiles was too much for them

Also we will get immeasurable back

Also, also welcum to the wiki ig

thanks. but my only problem about downgrade crt is "Immeasurable speed isnt immeasurable cuz of it looks like teleport in gameplay"?

By this logic I can nuke Doom Slayer Immeasurable speed cuz of Seraphs literally teleport in gameplay

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

But doesn't Mad Hatter's line imply that demons could name themself but could not because someone as powerful as Sparda had taken away their name.

It would seem so, but that doesn't change much in the discussion because the two demons we saw being freed in the manga only did so thanks to Vergil's name/concept manipulation.

Because of several things.

First is that Mundus tried to run away but just couldn't his wings fall apart and his body starts disintegrating. Second is that Dante was there, if Mundus was able to run away Dante would have given chase again like he did at the beginning of the fight. Third is that the dimension they are in collapses which leaves no room to run away. Fourth it literally says Mundus vanishes into the void. Mundus was dying when he came back, unable to properly heal and that resulted in the demon world collapse too.

Makes sense.

Given the whole metaphysical thread sonic made it all would end up as high-godly, no?

Yes. Also, in Deadly Fortune it is implicitly said by Dante that the soul = the essence iirc so we could directly use this scan + the one where Arkham implies that the essence > the name in DMC3 manga to prove the High Godly.

Also we will get immeasurable back

How???

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Because of several things.

First is that Mundus tried to run away but just couldn't his wings fall apart and his body starts disintegrating. Second is that Dante was there, if Mundus was able to run away Dante would have given chase again like he did at the beginning of the fight. Third is that the dimension they are in collapses which leaves no room to run away. Fourth it literally says Mundus vanishes into the void. Mundus was dying when he came back, unable to properly heal and that resulted in the demon world collapse too.

At least that's the reasoning behind it all. Given the whole metaphysical thread sonic made it all would end up as high-godly, no?

Speaking of regen feat, I saw that there was also Vergil's who came back in DMC5 after being completely destroyed in DMC1, but is there any confirmation anywhere that his body was destroyed? Because in the cutscene we don't see what happens to him (if he was really destroyed or if he just disappeared somewhere else)

 

[Thehunter077]

Speaking of regen feat, I saw that there was also Vergil's who came back in DMC5 after being completely destroyed in DMC1, but is there any confirmation anywhere that his body was destroyed? Because in the cutscene we don't see what happens to him (if he was really destroyed or if he just disappeared somewhere else)

Irrc one of DMC 1 japanese says, Nelo existence is vanish without a trace. As you can see Vergil goes exploded after Dante beat him. Dante also believe he is really dead until DMC 5 cane in

 

[Mister6ame6]

Speaking of regen feat, I saw that there was also Vergil's who came back in DMC5 after being completely destroyed in DMC1, but is there any confirmation anywhere that his body was destroyed? Because in the cutscene we don't see what happens to him (if he was really destroyed or if he just disappeared somewhere else)

DMC1 japanese guidebook, volume 2 and deadly fortune novels

They mention that Dante killed Nelo for good there

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

How???

Void Mundus? Argosax feat actually looked with scrutiny instead of just writing it off as teleport (which it actually is but still Dante reacts to that), probably the fodders that have some weird statements... idk

Speaking of regen feat, I saw that there was also Vergil's who came back in DMC5 after being completely destroyed in DMC1, but is there any confirmation anywhere that his body was destroyed? Because in the cutscene we don't see what happens to him (if he was really destroyed or if he just disappeared somewhere else)

So, Nelo Angelo is actually just Vergil's soul placed inside an Angelo armor/demon. His body is not there and most likely was disposed off by Mundus at some point. The armor explodes but it doesn't get erased from existence or something like that as the Order of the Sword found pieces of the armor and used them to create his own Angelos.

I don't remember any statements but the guys above said there are some, even if you ignore those we have Dante with soul hax and stuff.

Also, the feat is more complex than just his body being destroyed as Names are involved in this.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Void Mundus?

Are you talking about the statement that he's outside the flow of time or something like that?

So, Nelo Angelo is actually just Vergil's soul placed inside an Angelo armor/demon. His body is not there and most likely was disposed off by Mundus at some point. The armor explodes but it doesn't get erased from existence or something like that as the Order of the Sword found pieces of the armor and used them to create his own Angelos.

I don't remember any statements but the guys above said there are some, even if you ignore those we have Dante with soul hax and stuff.

Also, the feat is more complex than just his body being destroyed as Names are involved in this.

It seems vague for a regen feat tbh.

Also nothing tells us that Vergil's name was automatically regenerated after his soul or his body + soul (it all depends on what was destroyed) was regenerated, he could very well have regenerated again with the name Nelo Angelo and changed it afterwards (but in any case if his soul was destroyed it remains High Godly by default).

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Devil May Cry: Social Influencing for Dante

Social Influencing (Social Position and Reputation: During his mercenary career as Tony Redgrave, Dante's reputation grew with each gang he crushed and he completely ignored the local power structure. He even started a new trend, several mercenaries began to become independent like him, and the...

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[Tanin_iver]

About the Volume 1 Key for Dante, how should we approach it or even name it?

The first key as Tony should be fine.
The second key should be called what.
And I do feel merging post Naming and DMC pre-DT as one key should be fine.
But then pre and post DT for DMC3 can become problematic because of change in equipment.

Should we just add an extra key and just add Demon phys abilities and resistances. It would be simpler.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Just call it as "True Dante"

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

It seems vague for a regen feat tbh.

Also nothing tells us that Vergil's name was automatically regenerated after his soul or his body + soul (it all depends on what was destroyed) was regenerated, he could very well have regenerated again with the name Nelo Angelo and changed it afterwards (but in any case if his soul was destroyed it remains High Godly by default).

His soul is what got destroyed by Dante, Mundus took his body and Name from him.

The thing is that Nelo Angelo was completely subservient to Mundus. There was no reason to change his Name to Vergil after he came back from the beating Dante gave him. Instead of that Vergil comes back to life but his body is crumbling down.

Like I said, the whole thing is much more complex than we think and the fact that the feat itself is never explained, shown or even mentioned causes more issues.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

So, this is it ig. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Tony_di_bugalu/demon_physiology

We were talking and came to the conclusion the whole sparda inheritance thing while true should actually have a cap and that is the moment they surpass Sparda (the source/origin of their powers) so anything that involves the anime and onwards should scale to themselves and only themselves (like Dante feats from volume 2 should be only his, etc)

In short, they scale to each other up to DMC1. Nero benefits them cuz he lost most of his demonic powers so anything he does in 5 the others should be able to do too.


That only leaves the whole Soul section which I think should be a whole blog because of the relevance of it all.

 

[Tanin_iver]

That only leaves the whole Soul section which I think should be a whole blog because of the relevance of it all.

It already is in the form of a blog in the Verse page. But I do plan to tackle it eventually.

We were talking and came to the conclusion the whole sparda inheritance thing while true should actually have a cap and that is the moment they surpass Sparda (the source/origin of their powers) so anything that involves the anime and onwards should scale to themselves and only themselves (like Dante feats from volume 2 should be only his, etc)

In short, they scale to each other up to DMC1. Nero benefits them cuz he lost most of his demonic powers so anything he does in 5 the others should be able to do too.

This seems as weird a Cap as DWE being 4D and DE not 4D.

Physiology is not based on AP and the DMC Anime cap feels odd and whack. Pretty sure anything equipment related they should not scale, and the rest they can just develop through AD and RE which is the primary thing Spardakin possess. That is the source of their shared abilities.

 

[Hecky2222]

as I remember Void Mundus was omnipresent


Is fighting with omnipresent guy makes Dante immeasurable?

 

[Huesito88]

as I remember Void Mundus was omnipresent


Is fighting with omnipresent guy makes Dante immeasurable?

No, that was discussed

 

[Robo432343]

as I remember Void Mundus was omnipresent


Is fighting with omnipresent guy makes Dante immeasurable?

sonic gets immeasurable speed for fighting omnipresent solaris but not dante lol

 

[Hecky2222]

sonic gets immeasurable speed for fighting omnipresent solaris but not dante lol

btw does fighting omnipresent gives u immeasurable speed or not?

 

[Mister6ame6]

So, this is it ig. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Tony_di_bugalu/demon_physiology

We were talking and came to the conclusion the whole sparda inheritance thing while true should actually have a cap and that is the moment they surpass Sparda (the source/origin of their powers) so anything that involves the anime and onwards should scale to themselves and only themselves (like Dante feats from volume 2 should be only his, etc)

In short, they scale to each other up to DMC1. Nero benefits them cuz he lost most of his demonic powers so anything he does in 5 the others should be able to do too.


That only leaves the whole Soul section which I think should be a whole blog because of the relevance of it all.

I was reading the novel DF again and i'm find something about Dante saying that he is what he is even in DMC4 events because of being born with Spardas abilitites whithin him, would that kinda confirms that even in DMC5 events the Spardas have the powers and abilitites as eacth others?

 

[Robo432343]

btw does fighting omnipresent gives u immeasurable speed or not?

DMC and Omnipresence revision

Among DMC speed feats, Dante and Void Mundus battle is currently listed at their speed description, but considering what I saw on some threads and how this became a common question regarding the verse, I believe there isn't a solid idea of what happened during their clash and how we see Fighting...

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[Tanin_iver]

So, this is it ig. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Tony_di_bugalu/demon_physiology

I have some contentions regarding this, but before that I need some confirmation on who are the characters that will have Sparda Bloodline? The same characters as before or will there be changes?
And we no longer have Low or High tier division?

 

[Thehunter077]

No, that was discussed

There's a thread about it and yes that was accepted

 

[Thehunter077]

btw does fighting omnipresent gives u immeasurable speed or not?

Depends on context, some omnipresence being still limited to their combat speed. Since omnipresence is state of being rather that speed.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

who are the characters that will have Sparda Bloodline?

:
Sparda, Dante, Vergil, Nero and Chen (and Alpha from PGR)

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

DMC and Omnipresence revision

Among DMC speed feats, Dante and Void Mundus battle is currently listed at their speed description, but considering what I saw on some threads and how this became a common question regarding the verse, I believe there isn't a solid idea of what happened during their clash and how we see Fighting...

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Seems like Infinite Speed to me.

So, this is it ig. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Tony_di_bugalu/demon_physiology

We were talking and came to the conclusion the whole sparda inheritance thing while true should actually have a cap and that is the moment they surpass Sparda (the source/origin of their powers) so anything that involves the anime and onwards should scale to themselves and only themselves (like Dante feats from volume 2 should be only his, etc)

In short, they scale to each other up to DMC1. Nero benefits them cuz he lost most of his demonic powers so anything he does in 5 the others should be able to do too.


That only leaves the whole Soul section which I think should be a whole blog because of the relevance of it all.

DMC5 Vergil and Nero should share the same abilities as Dante tbh

 

[Tanin_iver]

(and Alpha from PGR)

Lmao

Sparda, Dante, Vergil, Nero and Chen

Gilver crying in the corner

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Seems like Infinite Speed to me.

On second thought, Immeasurable Speed is maybe fine too (in both cases as long as it is upgraded above MFTL+ I am happy).

Gilver crying in the corner

Lol I forgot. Which gives us 6 characters with the Sparda bloodline.

 

[Mister6ame6]

Lol I forgot. Which gives us 6 characters with the Sparda bloodline.

Gilver is because of Mundus making him with Sparda, Dante and Vergil datas, Chen is because of him inplanting 80% DNA on himself!

Could be argued Arkham, Sanctus and Savior scale to it too!

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Gilver is because of Mundus making him with Sparda, Dante and Vergil datas, Chen is because of him inplanting 80% DNA on himself!

Could be argued Arkham, Sanctus and Savior scale to it too!

Sorry if I sound mean, but why do you always put exclamation points at the end of your sentences lol?

 

[SuperSonicTL]

On second thought, Immeasurable Speed is maybe fine too (in both cases as long as it is upgraded above MFTL+ I am happy).

You'll be happy soon

 

[Tanin_iver]

Sorry if I sound mean, but why do you always put exclamation points at the end of your sentences lol?

Cos he is best boy