Devil May Cry Discussion Thread

[RedReaper616]

Divinity statue finally has the translations of the CD dramas? nice

Just waiting for a TL of The Live Hacker at this point.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Just waiting for a TL of The Live Hacker at this point.

Today I learned Live Hacker is there too, nice

 

[RedReaper616]

Today I learned Live Hacker is there too, nice

Yeah, but unless you have a REALLY good transcriber to get the audio into a workable thing for us to MTL, it’s not worth much. I’m gonna check out the CD Stories though.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Yeah, but unless you have a REALLY good transcriber to get the audio into a workable thing for us to MTL, it’s not worth much. I’m gonna check out the CD Stories though.

I have the spanish translatons for the CD stories so I already know stuff, probably just changes some words here and there so that's just a bonus to me.

The Live Hacker tho, that will be hard to TL considering none of us speaks japanese and I don't want to force Redgrave to translate it all

 

[RedReaper616]

I have the spanish translatons for the CD stories so I already know stuff, probably just changes some words here and there so that's just a bonus to me.

The Live Hacker tho, that will be hard to TL considering none of us speaks japanese and I don't want to force Redgrave to translate it all

Yeah, that's not fair to levy on him, especially since he's often really busy. I remember RKRevolt starting the task, but life kicked him in the shins repeatedly, so I don't think he ever got that done.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Yeah, that's not fair to levy on him, especially since he's often really busy. I remember RKRevolt starting the task, but life kicked him in the shins repeatedly, so I don't think he ever got that done.

RK was doing it? never knew, only heard things got difficult near the old poc dying

also, how cum I never see you in the server anymore

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

For those interested, Blackened-Angel (who also translated VoV) did a translation of DMC3 (which you can read on M*ngadex) a few months ago that is slightly different than the old one:

• The old one
• Blackened Angel translation

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

That quote extremely likely didn't have Sundisc scaling -- I mean, nukes and other such superweapons being shrugged off by fodder in mind. As Tony_di_bugalu suggested, at most it's probably more that demons have an immortality/regen respawn advantage that requires soul damage to be put down permanently, as opposed to stats. And even this is assuming the quote isn't contradicted by, y'know, onscreen goings-on in actual practice, such as the intro of DMC5 itself showing them still at the very least taking considerable damage from miliary guns & vehicular collisions.

I just started reading Deadly Fortune and yeah Nero explicitly confirms that sufficiently powerful weapons can kill demons (Page 25-26):

Since most demons have a though outer hide, a single bullet from an ordinary gun won’t hurt them. You need to pack some serious punch to deal with those types of demons. Like for example, I considered shotguns. They’re mainly used for hunting, and can unload a large spread of small bullets, which at close range can do devastating damage if they hit the same target all at once - but while as long-range weapons they might work with deer and ducks, they’re useless against demon. If all you’re looking for is raw destructive power and don’t care for the ability to fight from a distance, what’s even the point of using a gun? I also thought of sniper rifles, but that wouldn’t work. Yeah, the long-range damage is enough to kill even demons, but you’d never have enough time in combat to aim properly. Plus, they’re too big to carry around. I even considered using a missile launcher, but that would be way overkill. If I destroyed the city while trying to protect it, what kind of Knight would I be? And besides, as I said before, I can’t make too much noise in my line of work.

 

[RedReaper616]

also, how cum I never see you in the server anymore

I'm going to be completely honest, it was a cascade of personal events IRL. I even took a quiet break for some time on this website, too. Then when I came back, I started with Dragon Ball because who doesn't like Dragon Ball? Though, I've slowly gone back to being as well-rounded as before in terms of stuff I actively involve myself in, now. The only catch is I've started doing projects instead, like the GT Goku Profile Overhaul, or Baby (DBGT)'s Overhaul. Currently, I'm doing Ratchet and Clank, though I've been busy with IRL stuff due to the upcoming school year (about to return to college. Yaaaaay.)

 

[Thehunter077]

I just started reading Deadly Fortune and yeah Nero explicitly confirms that sufficiently powerful weapons can kill demons (Page 25-26):

Nero was not knowing that Demon in general are abstract, he only fighting a Demon who using their consciousness to Human world, yeah they can be killed by normal means, it just very much take effort to do

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Nero was not knowing that Demon in general are abstract, he only fighting a Demon who using their consciousness to Human world,

I didn't say otherwise tho.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

I just started reading Deadly Fortune and yeah Nero explicitly confirms that sufficiently powerful weapons can kill demons (Page 25-26):

Like Hunter said, this has different context and are quite different cases.

Nero at this point (like most of the order) has only fought avatars, insects and possessed objects. "Killing them" is just destroying whatever medium they are using to manifest in the human world.

Before the Nightmare on the other hand is talking about the real deal demons coming out of hell.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

I'm going to be completely honest, it was a cascade of personal events IRL. I even took a quiet break for some time on this website, too. Then when I came back, I started with Dragon Ball because who doesn't like Dragon Ball? Though, I've slowly gone back to being as well-rounded as before in terms of stuff I actively involve myself in, now. The only catch is I've started doing projects instead, like the GT Goku Profile Overhaul, or Baby (DBGT)'s Overhaul. Currently, I'm doing Ratchet and Clank, though I've been busy with IRL stuff due to the upcoming school year (about to return to college. Yaaaaay.)

That's fair, real life shit always takes precendence over everything else.

Also nice to see you here being active, this place may be shitty at times but it's a fun hobby.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

I finished reading Before the Nightmare and Visions of V a few days ago and it's a shame that Enzo and Beryl weren't mentioned at least once btw

 

[Random-Helper323]

DMC has plenty of problems with developers taking it in less than ideal directions, especially with how it prioritises characters. Look at how determined they are to replace Dante, literally the character the series relies on. They've tried to replace him once in DMC4 when Itsuno didn't want him there and only wanted Nero, once in the reboot, and once when trying to continue the reboot instead of the original. All three attempts could have destroyed the franchise.

There's also the fact that DMC2 Dante is as silent as he is because some guy didn't like characters like Dante. Devs being out of touch is sadly common.

 

[Follow_Doctor_Freeman]

DMC has plenty of problems with developers taking it in less than ideal directions, especially with how it prioritises characters. Look at how determined they are to replace Dante, literally the character the series relies on. They've tried to replace him once in DMC4 when Itsuno didn't want him there and only wanted Nero, once in the reboot, and once when trying to continue the reboot instead of the original. All three attempts could have destroyed the franchise.

There's also the fact that DMC2 Dante is as silent as he is because some guy didn't like characters like Dante. Devs being out of touch is sadly common.

It's easy to forget how many personal & production factors go on behind the scenes. As well as how tricky it can be for a story or premise to be passed from person to person. I wouldn't say that it's a huge loss to cull some minor side characters -- even if they're amusing; I quite like Beryl's haircut, reminds me of a past flame of mine... -- but sometimes perspective shifts can carry awkwardness. TheGamingBritShow did a good video on how Nero, while still being likable & far from a disaster when introduced, had some minor writing issues in DMC4 that were largely resolved in 5.

 

[Pyro9278]

I asked a while back if Dante DMC3 Key could be used normally without resulting in a passive fearhax stomp. I don't remember what the answer was, but it seems the Demonic Physiology page is finally being updated. Would it be possible to use it now?

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

I asked a while back if Dante DMC3 Key could be used normally without resulting in a passive fearhax stomp. I don't remember what the answer was, but it seems the Demonic Physiology page is finally being updated. Would it be possible to use it now?

something, something, fear hax only applies with DT or bloodlusted Dante

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

When the revisions on the verse P&A are finished, I hope there will be some for the AP scaling of the verse because there are some things that I don't understand or that I don't agree with.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I hope there is a remake of DMC 1 and 2, i really want to play as a game the current remakes of Resident Evil, just imagining DMC 1 in those current graphics, with lots of blood scenes and the fight against Mundus and Dante in the Universe would be so incredible.

They could also fix DMC 2 which is a terrible game, DMC deserves a remake

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

When the revisions on the verse P&A are finished, I hope there will be some for the AP scaling of the verse because there are some things that I don't understand or that I don't agree with.

Start listing them here and maybe I can clear your doubts here or explain stuff

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

I hope there is a remake of DMC 1 and 2, i really want to play as a game the current remakes of Resident Evil, just imagining DMC 1 in those current graphics, with lots of blood scenes and the fight against Mundus and Dante in the Universe would be so incredible.

They could also fix DMC 2 which is a terrible game, DMC deserves a remake

That's what I have been saying. We don't need a new DMC game, there is bo more story to tell, instead they can remake the old games with the new system and grant is peak comebacks.

They can also adapt the novels into games...

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

That's what I have been saying. We don't need a new DMC game, there is bo more story to tell, instead they can remake the old games with the new system and grant is peak comebacks.

They can also adapt the novels into games...

I really want the novels to be adapted into the games, hardly any DMC fans know about them, i only heard about them when i joined the wiki, i don't like reading just text either, but remaking the games from scratch and remaking them like resident evil would be so good

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

I really want the novels to be adapted into the games, hardly any DMC fans know about them, i only heard about them when i joined the wiki, i don't like reading just text either, but remaking the games from scratch and remaking them like resident evil would be so good

Ngl the old games with DMC 5 system would be peak. They would obviously rework a lot of stuff along with deleting or changing content but a good game is much better than wank or extreme feats (besides remakes Aren't canon anyways)

But brother, if they ever adapt the novels we are in for a ride, especially when the first novel would fit more an open game world with all the locations and characters while vol2 fits the normal DMC mission system

Also imagine throwing hands with void Mundus or Chen, or even fighting the evil Dante from that universe

 

[Random-Helper323]

Many options exist for DMC games. Some are good ideas, some are risky, some are almost guaranteed franchise killers.

• A prequel Vergil game is popular, but I think a bad idea, due to Vergil being a character that can't carry the title alone.
• A Sparda game is popular too, but also a questionable idea, high risk.
• A sequel focused on just Nero has very little support despite clearly being what Itsuno would want, and would likely flop.
• Adapting the novels and other content is niche, but could work, possibly. There is a lack of content.
• More prequels focused on a younger Dante could work, but DMC5 was definitely trying to escape being stuck with prequels.
• A big sequel with some new enemy like higher gods or something and bringing all the cast back in a big way would be best in my opinion, but it's risky.
• A small sequel or spinoff focused on new characters or secondary characters like Trish, Lady and Lucia could work, but I doubt they'd do it due to risk.

In short, things are up in the air. Capcom might make more DMC after they've made another five Resident Evil sequels and remakes of all the Resident Evil games that already exist. And another two or three Monster Hunter games.

 

[SuperSonicTL]

I hope there is a remake of DMC 1 and 2, i really want to play as a game the current remakes of Resident Evil, just imagining DMC 1 in those current graphics, with lots of blood scenes and the fight against Mundus and Dante in the Universe would be so incredible.

They could also fix DMC 2 which is a terrible game, DMC deserves a remake

This is Capcom broski. You gotta wait till your bones dried out before they decide to release a mere trailer.

 

[SuperSonicTL]

Many options exist for DMC games. Some are good ideas, some are risky, some are almost guaranteed franchise killers.

• A prequel Vergil game is popular, but I think a bad idea, due to Vergil being a character that can't carry the title alone.
• A Sparda game is popular too, but also a questionable idea, high risk.
• A sequel focused on just Nero has very little support despite clearly being what Itsuno would want, and would likely flop.
• Adapting the novels and other content is niche, but could work, possibly. There is a lack of content.
• More prequels focused on a younger Dante could work, but DMC5 was definitely trying to escape being stuck with prequels.
• A big sequel with some new enemy like higher gods or something and bringing all the cast back in a big way would be best in my opinion, but it's risky.
• A small sequel or spinoff focused on new characters or secondary characters like Trish, Lady and Lucia could work, but I doubt they'd do it due to risk.

In short, things are up in the air. Capcom might make more DMC after they've made another five Resident Evil sequels and remakes of all the Resident Evil games that already exist. And another two or three Monster Hunter games.

• Prequel Vergil game can work if they made the story an overlap between his younger days with Dante and have Nero's mom a potential character that could shifts his character in many ways we have yet to see. Additionally, His journey after the incident hasn't been looked into very vividly and we only have hints to somewhat make a conclusion at this point.
• Sparda game can 100% work if they don't **** up. We can go through the original universe and uncover many lore points and hidden story of his glory days.
• Nobody cares about Nero even though he is a cool character to be around but definitely can't pull it alone.
• Novels is honestly out of this world and is batshit insane at times. It would definitely get some traction depending on how it is executed.
• Nah Dante only is pretty boring. Guaranteed—it's not as bad as Nero solely—but still not worth enough to take the risk.
• Absolutely not. They are cool like Nero but a spin-off game on them is like shooting yourself in the foot.

A sequel for DMC is guaranteed given the staggering success. It's just the matter of fact when will they do it (even though the chances are pretty low as of now).

 

[Random-Helper323]

• Prequel Vergil game can work if they made the story an overlap between his younger days with Dante and have Nero's mom a potential character that could shifts his character in many ways we have yet to see. Additionally, His journey after the incident hasn't been looked into very vividly and we only have hints to somewhat make a conclusion at this point.

Maybe. Vergil might struggle to carry a title as the lead though.

• Sparda game can 100% work if they don't **** up. We can go through the original universe and uncover many lore points and hidden story of his glory days.

The risk is that they're building their cast from scratch if they do that, no ability to rely on established characters, and if they mess up they could destroy Sparda's legend, which would damage the whole franchise.

• Nobody cares about Nero even though he is a cool character to be around but definitely can't pull it alone.

Itsuno has wanted to make the series about Nero ever since he first made him in 2008. Reality however is that'll sink the franchise faster than a speedboat trying to transport an elephant.

• Novels is honestly out of this world and is batshit insane at times. It would definitely get some traction depending on how it is executed.

Might work better as some kind of mini entry.

• Nah Dante only is pretty boring. Guaranteed—it's not as bad as Nero solely—but still not worth enough to take the risk.

It worked in DMC1. Prequels with Dante could bring in new characters, and if set between entries could include characters such as Lady.

• Absolutely not. They are cool like Nero but a spin-off game on them is like shooting yourself in the foot.

It'd probably work better to give them a story from DLC in the sequel. I agree the background characters can't carry a game.

A sequel for DMC is guaranteed given the staggering success. It's just the matter of fact when will they do it (even though the chances are pretty low as of now).

More importantly, will they do it well?

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Start listing them here and maybe I can clear your doubts here or explain stuff

For the one I don't understand:
I have no idea why so many characters scale to Beastheads' 4-A feat.

For the one I disagree with:
I had a debate with GilverTheProtoAngelo once where he told me that Dante only managed to defeat Mundus via Devil Sword Sparda and that he only reached Sparda's level at the end of the Anime against Abigail.

I disagree because I think Dante surpassed (or at the very least reached his level) Sparda from the moment of his fight against Mundus after the latter killed Trish

 

[Random-Helper323]

I had a debate with GilverTheProtoAngelo once where he told me that Dante only managed to defeat Mundus via Devil Sword Sparda

This is actually true, in fairness. Once he didn't have the sword he was unable to beat a badly damaged Mundus.

and that he only reached Sparda's level at the end of the Anime against Abigail.

I disagree because I think Dante surpassed (or at the very least reached his level) Sparda from the moment of his fight against Mundus after the latter killed Trish

Sparda's level is hard to pin down.

As for Dante reaching Mundus' level by the time of the anime, it was shown that he was overwhelmed by Sid in their first round, and then in their second round he was able to fight him in base form although Sid still seemed stronger, and then DT comes out and Dante stomps Sid. So his being stronger in their second round than in their first does have some basis, although that fight happening off-screen creates some issues.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

A remake of the older games wouldnt hurt, Capcom done 3 remakes of RE, remains to be seen, Itsuno though stated he wouldnt have minded to do a new DMC game, but it takes too long according to him and he is older now, so he wishes to make more then just a particular thing

 

[Random-Helper323]

A remake of the older games wouldnt hurt, Capcom done 3 remakes of RE

Those remakes have had some mixed success and reception, but yes, those have overall worked out okay. A DMC1 and DMC2 remake could potentially work. Maybe even DMC3.

Itsuno though stated he wouldnt have minded to do a new DMC game, but it takes too long according to him and he is older now, so he wishes to make more then just a particular thing

In all fairness, Itsuno also wanted DMC4 to just be about Nero, he pushed for the reboot and later pushed to continue the reboot instead of the original series, and has admitted that he doesn't like Dante very much (which explains the actions described above), so he shouldn't be treated as the only voice on the matter.

I do think a big scale sequel with some higher godlike being as the villain, maybe parallel timelines and stuff like that (imagine Vergil fighting a parallel version of himself who became just like Mundus and telling his other self what scum he is, and that sort of thing) with all the cast returning for the biggest DMC event ever could really work.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Those remakes have had some mixed success and reception, but yes, those have overall worked out okay.

Well still done 3 of them, metal gear also got a remake and maybe can get more later down the line depending how well it does the current one, its a matter of time and who should direct it

A DMC1 and DMC2 remake could potentially work. Maybe even DMC3.

DMC3 may be the most wanted eventually like RE4 was

In all fairness, Itsuno also wanted DMC4 to just be about Nero, he pushed for the reboot and two continue the reboot instead of the original series, and has admitted that he doesn't like Dante very much (which explains the actions described above), so he shouldn't be treated as the only voice on the matter.

Well he left Capcom now, so not like he could have done anything at this point

I do think a big scale sequel with some higher godlike being as the villain, maybe parallel timelines and stuff like that (imagine Vergil fighting a parallel version of himself who became just like Mundus and telling his other self what scum he is, and that sort of thing) with all the cast returning for the biggest DMC event ever could really work.

So kinda like the mobile game and DMC2 novel had?

 

[Random-Helper323]

Well still done 3 of them, metal gear also got a remake and maybe can get more later down the line depending how well it does the current one, its a matter of time and who should direct it

Remakes are definitely the thing happening right now.

So kinda like the mobile game and DMC2 novel had?

Maybe. My reasoning for parallel timelines is simply that the cast have surpassed everything in their own timeline.

However, the opportunity is there to use such a large stage as a way to use lots of characters, centering around Dante, Vergil and Nero but also giving important roles (perhaps playable ones) to characters like Trish, Lady, Lucia, etcetera. Facing parallel versions of people could also allow some character exploration. Vergil crushing an evil parallel version of himself and expressing a warmer side to a parallel version of Lady could help to explore his growth for example. Perhaps in that timeline Vergil and Lady were together after they beat Arkham together and then years later Vergil went evil, for example? Vergil's character could be explored through that kind of self-reflection.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

• Prequel Vergil game can work if they made the story an overlap between his younger days with Dante and have Nero's mom a potential character that could shifts his character in many ways we have yet to see. Additionally, His journey after the incident hasn't been looked into very vividly and we only have hints to somewhat make a conclusion at this point.
• Sparda game can 100% work if they don't **** up. We can go through the original universe and uncover many lore points and hidden story of his glory days.
• Nobody cares about Nero even though he is a cool character to be around but definitely can't pull it alone.
• Novels is honestly out of this world and is batshit insane at times. It would definitely get some traction depending on how it is executed.
• Nah Dante only is pretty boring. Guaranteed—it's not as bad as Nero solely—but still not worth enough to take the risk.
• Absolutely not. They are cool like Nero but a spin-off game on them is like shooting yourself in the foot.

A sequel for DMC is guaranteed given the staggering success. It's just the matter of fact when will they do it (even though the chances are pretty low as of now).

• That just retcons Vergil lol at best you can touch on the years between Eva's death and the DMC3 Manga and it can be summarized as "Vergil looking for ways to become stronger"
• They already had Dance of Sparda planned so many years ago and it got cancelled. It could work as a spin-off but that's it
• Yeah, **** Nero
• Novels are just peak, if they manage to adapt them then we are gold
• The ****? I would buy capcom itself for a Dante only game (which the novels are). But yeah, no more prequels, there isn't anything else to be told
• Indeed, ladies night game is just not worth it

Hopefully the series is either dead or in for some remakes. DMC5 is such an ambitious game with a lot of risk that paid off and it told the story it wanted to, the gameplay is at its peak there and we got most of the playable characters. There is no need for a sequel or to ruin what DMC5 did.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

A remake of the older games wouldnt hurt, Capcom done 3 remakes of RE, remains to be seen, Itsuno though stated he wouldnt have minded to do a new DMC game, but it takes too long according to him and he is older now, so he wishes to make more then just a particular thing

There have been so many rumors about a remake of DMC 1, even the voice actor saying so and so, i think something might come out, he's been talking about DMC for a long time

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

For the one I don't understand:
I have no idea why so many characters scale to Beastheads' 4-A feat.

We put the BH lower than the Generals and maybe the upper half of the temen-ni-gru gatekeepers alongside weakened Mundus. From there on it has a lot of cross-scaling

For the one I disagree with:
I had a debate with GilverTheProtoAngelo once where he told me that Dante only managed to defeat Mundus via Devil Sword Sparda and that he only reached Sparda's level at the end of the Anime against Abigail.

I disagree because I think Dante surpassed (or at the very least reached his level) Sparda from the moment of his fight against Mundus after the latter killed Trish

Gilver is right, there is nothing to suggest Dante can achieve Sparda's level without the Devil Sword Sparda in the anime or DMC1.

Abigail itself has a pretty dubious case as we know of at least 3 Demon Kings and 2 of those have several forms. Abigail's statement says it has he power to rival a demon king which somehow was equated to "it is equal to Mundus" when the term "Demon King" can range from Pluto to Argosax the Chaos or Mundus/Despair Embodied.

Dante officially reached and surpassed Sparda in Volume 2, defeating Void Mundus (who killed Sparda) and Chen (who was 200% Sparda)

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

In all fairness, Itsuno also wanted DMC4 to just be about Nero, he pushed for the reboot and later pushed to continue the reboot instead of the original series, and has admitted that he doesn't like Dante very much (which explains the actions described above), so he shouldn't be treated as the only voice on the matter.

I'll tell you the truth here, DMC 4 wasn't worse than DMC 2 only because 4 had Dante, if it had only been a Nero game the game would have failed, Nero isn't a good protagonist, Nero's story only got good after DMC 5 which was incredible.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

I'll tell you the truth here, DMC 4 wasn't worse than DMC 2 only because 4 had Dante, if it had only been a Nero game the game would have failed, Nero isn't a good protagonist, Nero's story only got good after DMC 5 which was incredible.

While I agree that DMC4 was kind of a bad game it had many good qualities (gameplay being the first and foremost of all) the idea of Nero being the the MC would have definitely killed the franchise right then and there, the reboot almost did it too.

DMC2 gets shit on unfairly tho, it's a great game considering everything that happened, people just see the finished product and think they spent 2 years doing that instead of the actual 6 months Itsuno had to fix everything.

 

[Random-Helper323]

I'll tell you the truth here, DMC 4 wasn't worse than DMC 2 only because 4 had Dante, if it had only been a Nero game the game would have failed, Nero isn't a good protagonist, Nero's story only got good after DMC 5 which was incredible.

I'm very aware of that. If Itsuno had gotten his way on those issues the franchise would have sunk like a boat without a bottom. That was exactly my point mentioning those things; the fact that we shouldn't treat Itsuno as an absolute voice on the franchise's future.