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Devil May Cry Discussion Thread 10

Theglassman12 said:
Honestly, Dante's entire ability list is a clusterfuck to read through since 50% of it is the same thing as he has in his previous tiers.
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While I agree it's a mess (and lacks a lot of scans to prove shit) things the he has in a previous key are because he gets one abilities or weapon which has the same properties/abilities as some from older games, that's why he has the same thing again.
 
I'm currently going through the first three games. So I'll likely make a CRT for him when I can. As for 4 and 5 I'm SOL.
 
How is it a mess? And scans for what? Most, if not all, of his abilities are pretty self explanatory and don't really need scans.
 
A mess cause it's copying abilities he already has. Like resistance to time stop for like half of his tiers even though he resist space time manipulation
 
He resists space-time BFR, not space-time manipulation. And he only resists time stop in DMC1 with the sparda sword, and in DMC5 because he absorbed it.
 
Yes in regards to BFR, not actual space time. He doesn't resist time stop or slow, because he resists that specific type of BFR.
 
Ok, cause I found something that could give DMC something rather.... OP if that's the right word
 
Nope, the Arachne profiles mention the underworld and how entering the crust of the underworld transformed their soul into monsters.
 
Well, yes. It is a relatively consistent depiction between each game and novel that the Demon World's atmosphere/ambience contains extremely powerful dark energy that is capable of driving people insane quite easily, among other things.
 
Yyyep. And there's some other stuff I found for Mundus, which leads me to ask one other thing. So would Base DMC 1 Dante scale to the weakened Mundus in the end? Who blew up his island?
 
I was going to mention something similiar but on a smaller scale from DMC volume 1 but this is good too
 
How do we treat the feat from Gilver of making the Demon World consume the Human World? Would that be an outlier for the likes of him, or would it be scalable because he was amped with the entirety of the energy within the Demon World?
 
It wasn't that big of a scale though I'm pretty sure, and it was technically through the power of Mundus that was making it Gilver just helped put it into effect.
 
Ogbunabali said:
Little early don't you think? There's still 170 posts left.
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I made all previous threads when the old thread reach around 350+ replies
 
Well, it is stated by him that the demon world would replace Dante's world and that it'd keep spreading out from its nexus until consuming everything, and that he had access to the full power of the demonic dimension. And, later on, the narration states that the human world was being consumed by something.
 
True, but the scale was never that big and it was over time. The reason why I think it wasn't purely Gilver is because the nexus demon world absorbtion thing happened on places where Gilver wasn't present.
 
@Ogbunabli

Untrue, Gilver was heavily connected to all the other places and the one he was involved with was the one that was said to consume our dimension and even then Dante explicitly notes the demon world consuming thing Gilver was causing had the exact same feeling and properties that the demon tree connected to Jessica was causing, that tree was stated to be able to overwrite the reality of the city within a day or two and that was done by lowly demons.Gilver's consumption should be massively superior to that. Also, wouldn't that make beginning of DMC3 Dante city level either way?
 
And why would he need to be present? That's like arguing that no character in fiction can be above tier 8 because otherwise their destructive explosions would spread to places where they aren't present.

The Demon World is much larger than our universe. The Human World when used as its counterpart is frequently referring to our universe. "The scale was never that big" is a non-sequitur.
 
Well I don't recall Gilver being connected to any of the other places besides the bar, so you'll have to remind me on that.
 
Also, Gilver stated he had access to the full power of the demonic dimension. The Demon World's energy/power by itself already has multiple 3-A feats - such as creating the universe and distorting it with its mere approach in different occasions.
 
"Yes. The demon world is replacing yours. It will spread out from this nexus until finally everything is consumed."

Undetermined time span, and it only affected the bar, so the scale isn't that impressive.

I also can't find the quote that says that Gilver is the one doing it and the one above says that it's the nexus that does it not his own power. So you'll have to provide quotes for that.
 
I don't know if you noticed the part where he states that the demon world is replacing Dante's world, and that it would consume everything. Saying it is just affecting a bar is pretty much erasing the context of the statement.

And "nexus" literally means "connection" or "center", dude. An inanimate center can't do anything, nor is he saying the nexus was doing it.
 
Ok we're doing this step by step I see.

"The demon world is replacing yours."

Unspecified timeframe, when the battle was done it was only the bar that was affected, we have no idea how much time it would take for the whole world to be consumed and every assumption we make is by definition headcanon, so it's unquantifiable at best.

"It will spread out from this nexus until finally everything is consumed."

It literally says that it's spreading from the nexus and nowhere did it say that the nexus is his power or that he was directly controlling the nexus or anything of the like. If you have quotes that you it's like that feel free to share them with all of us.
 
> Unspecified timeframe, when the battle was done it was only the bar that was affected, we have no idea how much time it would take for the whole world to be consumed and every assumption we make is by definition headcanon, so it's unquantifiable at best.

How about the fact that this wasn't happening up until moments before he said that? "Only the bar was affected" falls apart based on that alone.

> It literally says that it's spreading from the nexus and nowhere did it say that the nexus is his power or that he was directly controlling the nexus or anything of the like

1. Nowhere, except one paragraph and a half before.

2. "Spread out from this nexus". This is a fancy way of saying "it is moving towards your world". People are so used to seeing the word "nexus" as some buzzword for some rift-like thing that they forgot that it just means "center". In this case, it is just saying that the Demon World is moving from its foundations/center.
 
ParadoxIndifferent said:
How about the fact that this wasn't happening up until moments before he said that? "Only the bar was affected" falls apart based on that alone.
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That is still headcanon, we don't know how long it would take for it to take over the whole human world.

Nowhere, except 3 paragraphs before.
He just says that he is at full power because he is, essentially, in the demon world and not in the human world, because he is weaker in the human world. Nothing to do with the corruption.
 
> That is still headcanon, we don't know how long it would take for it to take over the whole human world.

Occam's Razor.

> He just says that he is at full power because he is, essentially, in the demon world and not in the human world, because he is weaker in the human world. Nothing to do with the corruption.

"This nexus has become complete. Now I can access the full power of the demonic dimension."

Ie. now he can access the entirety of the Demon World's power due to the nexus's completion.

Ie. the feat scales to him.
 
ParadoxIndifferent said:
Occam's Razor.
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Literally not how Occam's Razor works. This has literally nothing to do with Occam's Razor.

"This nexus has become complete. Now I can access the full power of the demonic dimension."
Ie. now I can access the entirety of the Demon World's power due to this nexus.

Ie. the nexus scales to him.
Again. No. He is literally just saying he is not weakened by being in the human world.
 
> Literally not how Occam's Razor works. This has literally nothing to do with Occam's Razor.

Except it does. Common knowledge. Your point of view requires making a lot of assumptions, when it is a lot simpler and more straightforward to take the statements at face value.

> Again. No. He is literally just saying he is not weakened by being in the human world.

No, he is not. The statement is that the nexus's completion means he can access the entirety of the Demon World's power. The statement is not "I can now access my full power by virtue of being in the demonic dimension."
 
"He had sensed something similar not too long before-a palpable something that gnawed at the soul. Gilver felt like this; the demon world." -DMC volume 2 Dante talking about the atmosphere and oppressive enviornment of the alternate universe.This implies the nexus was caused by Gilver.

Also logically the nexus can't be caused by anyone else besides Gilver because it happened in Bobby Cellar which isn't connected to anything magical or demonic in nature and was normal hours before.The nexus thing only began once Gilver was involved and fighting Dante so either it's Dante and Gilver fighting caused a nexus that would consume the universe to form or Gilver was the cause of the nexus, the former is highly unlikely because Gilver knew exactly what the nexus was and it's effects and Dante fighting with other beings never caused such nexus to form.
 
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