Devil May Cry Discussion Thread 10

[Callsign_Castle]

Probably 5-10 times, considering we do know that each of the Sparda weapons = 1/3 his power

 

[GrathOfLux]

Probably 5-10 times, considering we do know that each of the Sparda weapons = 1/3 his power

Not necessarily. We know that he did split his power between the 3 weapons, however, as far as I'm aware there is nothing that states that he split it evenly. For all we know, 90% of his power was in Sparda and only 5% each in Rebellion and Yamato. Of course, that's an exaggerated example, but you get my point. Unless I'm mistaken and it actually does state that somewhere, we can't assume all 3 of the weapons to have the same amount of his power.

 

[GrathOfLux]

Also, when should I make the separate CRT to discuss the extra feats that needed more discussion, like 4-A Saviour and that kind of stuff?

 

[GrathOfLux]

Also, when should I make the separate CRT to discuss the extra feats that needed more discussion, like 4-A Saviour and that kind of stuff?

Anybody have a good idea? I would like to start it up as soon as possible, but I'm aware that the 3-A thread having only just been accepted means that people might want a break.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Give it a week or two break,should be enough

 

[GrathOfLux]

Give it a week or two break,should be enough

A two week break seems a bit much, don't you think? A week sounds a bit long, but I suppose that's reasonable.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

I think 1-2 weeks is ok, there has been a lot of DMC threads going on for a while

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Someone knows from where does this comes from: "Weaknesses: As stamina decreases, his Regenerationn becomes less efficient."

I don't remember a single instance in wich they were tired and their regen became lacking in some way or another.

 

[GrathOfLux]

Someone knows from where does this comes from: "Weaknesses: As stamina decreases, his Regenerationn becomes less efficient."

I don't remember a single instance in wich they were tired and their regen became lacking in some way or another.

I think that might be in reference to DMC3? When Dante was exhausted after the first Vergil fight and struggled to regenerate being stabbed, which should be extremely easy given his regen.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

He didn't struggled IIRC, he just went berserker for a few seconds and tben he was knocked out, and even if he struggled we see them getting soo weak in ther second fight yet they regen like nothing happened.

 

[GrathOfLux]

He didn't struggled IIRC, he just went berserker for a few seconds and tben he was knocked out, and even if he struggled we see them getting soo weak in ther second fight yet they regen like nothing happened.

That's actually a good point. I might want to include that in the next CRT. Should I start writing up all the points that need to be discussed and release it soon? I know I should probably wait, since the 3-A CRT already had people exhausted, but I'm eager to write it up soon.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Look, if you are planing to make a CRT about hax/abilities then go ahead but if you are going to tackle the Tiers of some characters then wait at least 1 month.

 

[ParadoxIndifferent]

I myself am planning (and am nearly done with) with another thread regarding the Tiers...but not to upgrade or downgrade them, just discuss the implementation of a considerable amount of other 3-A feats I feel we misjudge. And no, nothing to do with Mundus creating a universe or Kamiya, nothing to do with Nightmare or the Savior either...

 

[Skylietz]

"Power to shake the world" <--- is the most powerful feat described in DMC 5 (the latest and strongest development of characters)

Infecting the world with demonic influence doesn't necessarily a Universe feat, even Qliphoth need took some time to invading a small Red Grave town (a month or two), to completely rewritten the Earth it might need a year or two, and rewriting the universe? I don't think so

Universe level character won't have any problem toying with stars around the galaxy, and Massive FTL+ speed is almost a necessity for those characters, etc,

... my point is we should just look at the verse with literal sense, not relying on some dubious feats written in translated texts or personal interpretations based on the apparently hax feats that supposedly cannot be applied to Attack Potency

...I can't even imagine how Dante and friends could even stand against Goku, Beerus and similar legit Universe busters

Just sharing my thoughts

 

[GrathOfLux]

"Power to shake the world" <--- is the most powerful feat described in DMC 5 (the latest and strongest development of characters)
Infecting the world with demonic influence doesn't necessarily a Universe feat, even Qliphoth need took some time to invading a small Red Grave town (a month or two), to completely rewritten the Earth it might need a year or two, and rewriting the universe? I don't think so

Universe level character won't have any problem toying with stars around the galaxy, and Massive FTL+ speed is almost a necessity for those characters, etc,

... my point is we should just look at the verse with literal sense, not relying on some dubious feats written in translated texts or personal interpretations based on the apparently hax feats that supposedly cannot be applied to Attack Potency

...I can't even imagine how Dante and friends could even stand against Goku, Beerus and similar legit Universe busters

Just sharing my thoughts

1: You are quite blatantly strawmanning by stating that "Infecting the world with demonic influence doesn't necessarily a Universe feat". They weren't "infecting the world". We have explicit statements that they were consuming our dimension. Saying that they were infecting the world proves nothing except that you don't understand the feat.

2: Speed has literally nothing to do with AP/Durability, so that's a complete non-sequitur. Just because most other verses have MFTL+ feats for toying around with the universe that still proves absolutely nothing, and it is a clear case of correlation, not causation.

3: The feat is in no way dubious. It was written in a manual with help from the developers and writers. It's practically a stone's throw away from WoG, and not from Kamiya this time.

4: Stating that you can't imagine how Dante could compare to other universe busters is literally about as close as you can get to a textbook "Argument from incredulity" fallacy. I'm not exaggerating about that, look on the page about Fallacies on here. The example they use is almost exactly the same as what you said with a few names replaced.

I hate it when I sound rude when I'm just trying to be assertive, so I apologise if I have come off that way. But I have literally never seen this many fallacies in a single post on here.

 

[CryoTheMayo]

It's a bit hard to take speed feats seriously when DMC Is filled to the brim with teleportation, time slow, time stop, etc. The DMC cast can keep up with MFTL+ by just using their time manipulation and Regenerationn.

 

[GrathOfLux]

It's a bit hard to take speed feats seriously when DMC Is filled to the brim with teleportation, time slow, time stop, etc. The DMC cast can keep up with MFTL+ by just using their time manipulation and Regenerationn.

Well, that might be a slight exaggeration. Even with time slow and teleportation, with Relativistic reaction speed they'd still probably have quite a bit of trouble against MFTL+ characters. Time stop would make it easy, sure, but then that was only with the bangle of time.

 

[Sparda_20000000]

They should be relativistic in movement speed as well

 

[CryoTheMayo]

It's a bit hard to take speed feats seriously when DMC Is filled to the brim with teleportation, time slow, time stop, etc. The DMC cast can keep up with MFTL+ by just using their time manipulation and Regenerationn.

Well, that might be a slight exaggeration. Even with time slow and teleportation, with Relativistic reaction speed they'd still probably have quite a bit of trouble against MFTL+ characters. Time stop would make it easy, sure, but then that was only with the bangle of time.

That's why I mentioned Regenerationn, so they have a shot at surviving long enough to use their hax. Personally, I think DMC is FTL but that would be getting into CRT territory.

 

[GrathOfLux]

If you have any good evidence for FTL DMC, feel free to bring it forward. I am quite curious about speed feats myself.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Argosax has an attack shooting a beam in the air and forms a rainbow from it,with needles falling down from said beam fired and there is Nightmare shooting beams out of him after Dante beat it in DMC1, he dodges that,i believe they come fron the dimension he is transporting you, which arguably has a sun in it

 

[ParadoxIndifferent]

I myself am planning (and am nearly done with) with another thread regarding the Tiers...but not to upgrade or downgrade them, just discuss the implementation of a considerable amount of other 3-A feats I feel we misjudge. And no, nothing to do with Mundus creating a universe or Kamiya, nothing to do with Nightmare or the Savior either...

So, I am done with the thread I mentioned earlier. Is it safe to post it now? The contentes are large enough that they may go to a blog instead.

 

[Ogbunabali]

Well I don't know the context of that thread, but maybe it's for the best to not do DMC threads for a while.

 

[Dienomite22]

@ParadoxIndifferent

@Ogbunabali

I think it's okay if it's just a discussion

 

[Ogbunabali]

I meant CRTs not threads in general.

 

[ParadoxIndifferent]

Okay, here is my thread: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2941076

 

[CryoTheMayo]

I just noticed...when Dante is in SDT and doing an attack, it cancels and staggers him when he runs out of the SDT gauge. When Dante uses moves in DT and runs out it seems to just fade the changes to Dante's Summoned Swords (like DT Stinger for example).

DT Nero, however, can continue to charge and use his DT moves if he exits DT while charging one of its moves. Does this mean that Nero can canonically use all of his DT Devil Bringer moves when in his base form? It's also worth noting that Nero is actually duel-wielding Red Queen and a Summoned Sword, resembling Yamato, when doing Showdown.

 

[Lightning_XXI]

That's gameplay, in the cutscenes we see Dante and Vergil going from SDT to Base without getting staggered

 

[CryoTheMayo]

I know, but what I'm questioning is that if SDT Dante runs out of meter he can't continue using a move whereas Nero running out of DT can. So, my question is if Nero can use all of his DT moves outside of his DT and if Dante can't use his SDT moves outside of SDT.

 

[Creaturemaster971]

Seems more like an anti-frustration feature than anything else

 

[GrathOfLux]

I know, but what I'm questioning is that if SDT Dante runs out of meter he can't continue using a move whereas Nero running out of DT can. So, my question is if Nero can use all of his DT moves outside of his DT and if Dante can't use his SDT moves outside of SDT.

That's technically not entirely true. Dante can use Omen while I'm SDT, and the attack will finish even if his gauge runs out. You could also argue that this is the case for judgement, as it's an extremely long attack that he can still use fully while at a Low SDT gauge.

 

[GrathOfLux]

By the way, should I look into writing up that "brushed over feats" CRT now? I'm not entirely sure if I've waited long enough, I'd like some input.

 

[Dienomite22]

By the way, should I look into writing up that "brushed over feats" CRT now? I'm not entirely sure if I've waited long enough, I'd like some input.

Should be fine

 

[GrathOfLux]

Hey. I'm currently in the process of making that CRT about the "brushed over" feats, but I need a bit of help. It was well discussed before that the demon world is infinite in size, along with various quotes and references as evidence. However, I can't find the original references used. I remember one was from the DMC3 Manga, and the other was from an item description in DMC3. If anybody has them on hand, I want to quote them word-for-word in the CRT but I can't remember it off the top of my head. Could I get some help finding them?

 

[GrathOfLux]

Nevermind, I have since found them. Thank you all anyway!

 

[ZERO7772]

That's gameplay, in the cutscenes we see Dante and Vergil going from SDT to Base without getting staggered

They got staggered by Nero~

 

[GrathOfLux]

I've finished writing up the CRT for the "brushed over" feats. Admittedly I was not able to account for everything; there are a few small loose ends to be addressed in the future. Still, should I post now?

 

[Lightning_XXI]

Sure

 

[GrathOfLux]

Sure

Hoo boy... alright. I hope I'm not doing this too early, or that I haven't badly edited it. It's quite a long post, to say the least.

 

[GrathOfLux]

Here ya'll go.

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2954053